Derek Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 @Cyna The hero choices are really up to you. I have been playing with a tidecaster so I can use two rituals. Lotan is awesome for his +1 to wound bubble on everything including mounts but I suspect that it’ll be faq’ed to match the rest of the army. I think 20 thralls will do work for you. The damage output of those dudes is amazing. I’m excited to get my 50 back so I can get them on the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyna Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Derek said: @Cyna The hero choices are really up to you. I have been playing with a tidecaster so I can use two rituals. Lotan is awesome for his +1 to wound bubble on everything including mounts but I suspect that it’ll be faq’ed to match the rest of the army. I think 20 thralls will do work for you. The damage output of those dudes is amazing. I’m excited to get my 50 back so I can get them on the table Now I am thinking to make something like this: Akhelian King Akhelian Thrallmaster Isharann Tidecaster Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers 3x Akhelian Allopexes 6 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard 10 x Namarti Reavers 20 x Namarti Thralls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 That looks like a solid list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Army Subfaction: Dhom-Hain - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Inspired LEADER Akhelian Thrallmaster (110)* Akhelian Thrallmaster (110)* Isharann Tidecaster (150)* - Artefacts: Rune of the Surging Gloomtide - Spells: Arcane Corrasion Akhelian King (250)** - General - Command Traits: Unstoppable Fury - Bladed Polearm and Falchion - Artefacts: Armour of the Cythai - Mount Traits: Voidchill Darkness BATTLELINE Namarti Thralls (130)** Namarti Thralls (130)** Namarti Thralls (130)** 2 x Namarti Thralls (390)*** Namarti Thralls (130)*** ENDLESS SPELL Emerald Lifeswarm (60) TERRAIN Gloomtide Shipwreck (0) OTHER Akhelian Allopexes (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (165)** - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades CORE BATTALIONS: *Command Entourage **Battle Regiment ***Hunters of the Heartlands TOTAL POINTS: (1920/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I’m thinking this list will play fairly well. 60 thralls 2 sharks and using the rituals for a 5+ ward on the thralls and then 2 thrall masters for the exploding 6’s and reroll 1’s to hit or exploding 6’s and -1 to wound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Please give us some reports how it went, Problems I would anticipate with this list: - You often won't get your Thralls into the engagements (or at times objectives) you want and will be caught up in your opponents screens. - The more you (have to) spread out the harder it will become to keep multiple Thrall units in the buff-bubbles - Also the more you spread out the more different units will be eligible for shooting, spells and other effects and the Thralls will crumble quickly. We pretty much have to include some Namarti into our lists to get bodies on the table but I don't think going that heavy in infantry isn't the way to go. I tried it once and hat no fun at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolyhammer Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Cyna said: Now I am thinking to make something like this: Akhelian King Akhelian Thrallmaster Isharann Tidecaster Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers 3x Akhelian Allopexes 6 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard 10 x Namarti Reavers 20 x Namarti Thralls Very similar to what I think I'll try but swap a shark for another unit of Reavers. I'm also keen to try the Soulrenderer to back up the Thralls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyna Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 1 hour ago, wolyhammer said: Very similar to what I think I'll try but swap a shark for another unit of Reavers. I'm also keen to try the Soulrenderer to back up the Thralls. I'm also thinking about swapping sharks for Reavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolyhammer Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Cyna said: I'm also thinking about swapping sharks for Reavers It may just come down to what I can buy cheapest 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyna Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, wolyhammer said: It may just come down to what I can buy cheapest 😉 But another 10 little figures to glue and paint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadheadz Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 trying to work on a list with as many buff's/debuffs as possible here's what I've got to so far Spoiler - Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Subfaction: Dhom-Hain - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line LEADERS Akhelian Thrallmaster (110)** Isharann Soulrender (120)** - Artefacts of Power: Brain Barnacles Eidolon of Mathlann Aspect of the Sea (325)** - General - Command Traits: Endless Sea Storm - Artefacts of Power: Bio-shock Shell - Spells: Arcane Corrasion Akhelian King (250)** - Bladed Polearm and Falchion - mount trait: voidchill darkness Lotann (115)** BATTLELINE Namarti Thralls (130)* Namarti Thralls (260)* Namarti Reavers (170)** BEHEMOTH Akhelian Leviadon (500) -Mount trait – reverberating carapace TERRAIN 1 x Gloomtide Shipwreck (0) CORE BATTALIONS - *Hunters of the Heartlands - **Warlord TOTAL POINTS: 1980/2000 can anyone think of any tips to tweak this was considering dropping the reavers to take it up to 2 units of 20 thralls but not fully decided yet, list did well against a paladin and annihalator heavy alpha strike stormcast list earlier this week, but its up against nurgle this weekend so could be an interesting test for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadheadz Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 3/30/2022 at 7:04 AM, woolf said: the rule is u can only shoot the closest so my answer would be no you cant split. it becomes a question of precision in measuring, ie if u could measure (for sake of argument) on atom lvl, its extremely unlikely they would be equal distance. in practice if they are close enough to be hard to tell, I would offer my opponent to choose which one but not both. the wording is "can only be picked as the target of a shooting attack if they are the closest target to the attacking model" so if its a unit of 10 models shooting and half are closer to one unit and the other half are closer to a different unit they have to split their attacks and cannot pick one unit over the other as the wording specifies the attacking model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 @DocKeule I won’t be able to play this exact list in the near future but I have a fuethan shark heavy list coming down the pipeline ready to run into a couple different armies shortly. The first opponent I’ll have is a KO or a big waagh army. Then the second will be a nurgle army with the glottkin and a couple other things. After that it’s against stormcast lumineth or legion of the first prince and maybe a fly spam nurgle army. This will be over several weeks but I’m hoping that with the various unit options I have I’ll get to keep my lists fresh. Eventually I want to get one of my opponent’s to play my seraphon army and let me actually see how much of a pain it is to face thunderlizards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazhoath Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 5 hours ago, undeadheadz said: the wording is "can only be picked as the target of a shooting attack if they are the closest target to the attacking model" so if its a unit of 10 models shooting and half are closer to one unit and the other half are closer to a different unit they have to split their attacks and cannot pick one unit over the other as the wording specifies the attacking model. I imagine a unit of maybe 30 Sentinels surrounded by IDK and you check for every model which unit is closer… Thanks GW for overcomplicating a simple rule 🤦🏻♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) I don’t think it’ll be a problem rule hasn’t changed between the first book and this one. Don’t make the tactical error like I did and present your opponent with a second unit to shoot and it should be fine. Edited April 1, 2022 by Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolyhammer Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Does anyone get the feeling a list was meant to be when it makes 2k exactly. I was just plugging some units into the Warscroll builder for possible purchase ideas and this came out. Akhelian King (250)- General- Bladed PolearmIsharann Tidecaster (150)Isharann Soulscryer (150)6 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard (390)10 x Namarti Reavers (170)10 x Namarti Reavers (170)3 x Akhelian Ishlaen Guard (195)3 x Akhelian Ishlaen Guard (195)1 x Akhelian Allopexes (165)1 x Akhelian Allopexes (165)Total: 2000 / 2000 might not be enough hitting power if your opponent gets the jump on your units. Could run two units of 6 Morsarr Guard? Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmaravoz Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Have a question re Mount Traits. Its says the following: "You can pick 1 Deepmare and 1 Leviadon in you army to have 1 of the following mount traits" Does this mean, that I can take two mount traits without getting an additional enhancement?? I.e. Both Aphelion King and Leviadon each are getting mount traits?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 Yes. You get 2 mount traits with no extra enhancement required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmaravoz Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 27 minutes ago, Derek said: Yes. You get 2 mount traits with no extra enhancement required Thanks. But doesn't this contradict with the core rules in any way?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 No the battletome over rides the core rules as it’s the most recent publication. If you wanted a 3rd mount trait either for a second king or a second leviadon you would need to take a battalion that would unlock the optional enhancement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siorra Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 On 4/3/2022 at 4:29 AM, Derek said: No the battletome over rides the core rules as it’s the most recent publication. If you wanted a 3rd mount trait either for a second king or a second leviadon you would need to take a battalion that would unlock the optional enhancement. Wait, really? If so I'm gonna blame the lack of free mount trait on my Leviadon is why I went 1-4 in a tournament a week ago. 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Yea. You get to pick 2 mount traits for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 So I have this new list idea 9 sharks Army Faction: Idoneth Deepkin - Army Subfaction: Fuethán - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Inspired LEADER Akhelian King (250) - General - Command Traits: Unstoppable Fury - Bladed Polearm and Falchion - Artefacts: Armour of the Cythai - Mount Traits: Voidchill Darkness Isharann Tidecaster (150) - Spells: Ghost-mist BATTLELINE Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades 2 x Akhelian Allopexes (495) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades Akhelian Allopexes (Bloodthirsty Shiver) (165) - Razorshell Harpoon Launcher, Barbed Hooks and Blades ENDLESS SPELL Emerald Lifeswarm (60) TOTAL POINTS: (1945/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnyt Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 @Derek literally played this list last week except minus lifeswarm and plus lotann for an even 2k. It's ok but I'm of the opinion that deepkin need to be a one drop army. Making it 2x3 sharks and 1 shiver lets you do that but you lose out on board presence. If you're not a one drop, you risk being doubled and that's usually game ending for deepkin, in my experience. In fact, that's why I lost the game in which I used the 9 sharks. A similar, but likely more competitive shark-centric list would be something like: Blender King Lotann Soulrender 2x2 sharks single shark 20 reavers 2 stormdrake guard with lances 1990 points This list is a one drop, has 40 reaver equivalents of shooting (versus the 9 shark list having 36), has much more control over priority order, which is VITAL for IDK, and also has 2 SDG to provide mortal wounds and all the good stuff they do. Alternatively, you can swap the SDG for 2 additional sharks, making the configuration 3 shark, 2 shark, 2x1 shark, and 20 reavers. That gives you backfield presence, an excellent turn 1 screen, 48!!! reaver equivalents of shooting, and some decent hammers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 @vinnyt still lacking lotann and the foot infantry. But I hear what you’re saying. I was getting the impression that going first wasn’t an absolute priority for this army since you have so many ways to basically counter things like a shooting alpha strike. Currently I’d be sitting at a 2 drop if I went double battle regiment or a 3 drop if I did something like battle regiment and hunters of the heartlands. And I know everyone likes the dragons but I’m getting the feeling we’re about to get a new battlescroll or whatever it’s called in the coming weeks and don’t think they’re going to be as appealing anymore. Plus if I take the dragons I give my local community the idea that I’m meta chasing lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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