AaronWilson Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, Crono said: Cool list mate, though you could sub out a few spearman for reavers for battleline? This is true! I suppose with the size of there base the reavers act just a good screen as the spearmen anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 12/7/2018 at 1:35 PM, Ceranidian said: Hey guys I've been playing 40k for a while but WHF High Elves were my first hobby love (even though I never had the patience or money to get a full army together as a kid). Now I'm considering getting into AoS and would like some feedback on the following list Allegiance: Order Dragonlord, horn and lance Anointed on Frostheart Phoenix Archmage 3x10 Namarti Thralls 3x5 Dragon Blades 20 Phoenix Guard Dragonlord Host battalionTotal: 1970pts Like your list, but I would replace the 3 x 10 Namarti Thralls with 3 x 5 Reavers. Also I would definetely split up the Phoenix Guard in 2 x 10 Phoenix Guard, not only can you spread them out a bunch, you also get 1 extra Keeper of Flame. And your Banners will be useful, if their units are 8" within each other, boosting them to Bravery 9. Your list seems to focus greatly on the alpha strike/ deathstar strike, because of taking the horn on the Dragonlord. I would suggest taking the Master of Defence trait at all times, just for the added defence. It will also stack with the Elemental Shield, because it's a different ability and I would run the Realm Chamon in your case to take the Rune Blade artefact on the Dragonlord, turning his lance to -3 rend, absolutely devastating combined with the horn. And the Argent Armour on the Phoenix for a -1 to hit debuff vs the phoenix and ofc with the frost aura of the phoenix itself, this means -1 to hit and -1 to wound. Alternatively run a more defensive Dragonlord by going with the Realm of Light Hysh. Take the Armoured Cuirrass for the Dragonlord and maybe replace the horn with the shield, that's a personal preference. Than take the Lens of Refraction on the Phoenix, to defend against magic heavy comps, or take the Aetherquartz Brooch to recycle a few command points and use both command abilities. The only thing other than this that I have to mention is... that in all honesty the synergy for your Frostheart Phoenix is rather small(only 1 cast from the Archmage means, if the cast is succesful it will get a max of a 4+ save). I think you are relying to use the command ability of both your phoenix and dragonlord, which might work for 1 turn only, because of the added CP from the battalion, the other turns you are forced to choose between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crono Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 I did forget to update this thread after Cancon. i found myself in first position overnight tied for maximum points but had a shocking day 2 and fell down to 50th/200 odd players. The Phoenix temple will be taking a break when the Draconis arrive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Crono said: i found myself in first position overnight tied for maximum points but had a shocking day 2 and fell down to 50th/200 odd players. Absolutely amazing models and army! Mind sharing the list here? I'm really curious to what your strategical choices were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 List I might try sometime as alternative to the list Ceranadian posted: Allegiance: OrderRealm: HyshLeadersDragonlord (340)- General- Trait: Master of Defense - Artefact: Mirrored Cuirass -Wargear: Lance and ShieldAnointed on Frostheart Phoenix (280)- Artefact: Lens of RefractionArchmage (100)- SteedLoremaster (140)Battlelines5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)Units:10 x Dragon Blades (280)10 x Dragon Blades (280)BattalionsDragonlord Host (130)Endless SpellsQuicksilver Swords (20)Total: 1990/ 2000Allies: 0 / 400Extra CP: 1Wounds: 106 Explanation: This list focuses more on purely order draconis, with some phoenix temple in it and eldritch council. The list is meant to be a defensive fast moving army, that uses war of attrition. Taking the battalion will allow us to blast 2 dragonfires a turn, have a super fast move in 1 of our turns, which we can straight up use, or keep for the late game and gives us a lot of initiative potential and objective control potential. The Dragonlord will have Re-roll Saves of 4+ with 5+ mortal wound negate and on a 6 deals a mortal to an enemy unit nearby. On top of that it will also have a Wound and Mortal wound negate of a 6+, because of the Master of Defense and possibly another Wound and Mortal Wound negate of 6+ from the Elemental Shield that the Archmage can cast. The Phoenix debuffs the enemy in an aura and guard against incoming spell damage with the Lens of Refraction(I know it's nerfed, but it's still pretty okay). The Archmage will ward our entire army with a 6+ Wound or Mortal wound negate, and feed the Phoenix +1 to save. The Loremaster will target the dragonlord or phoenix(The dragonlord can already make himself and all draconis units around him re-roll hit rolls, but not the wound rolls, the loremaster can make him also re-roll wound rolls, but perhaps the target is better on the phoenix, making the phoenix re-roll all hit and wound rolls on top of the dragonlord having re-rolls to hit). The Loremaster also feeds the phoenix with a +1 to the save. As you can see this list can have a lot of defensive re-rolls and to hit re-rolls(and to wound on 1 unit), while debuffing the enemy with -1 to wound because of the phoenix. The only thing I worry about is the overall punching power of the list, especially since it doesn't include multiple dragonlords or phoenixes. It takes the best of both worlds though. Let me know what you think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crono Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, That Guy said: Absolutely amazing models and army! Mind sharing the list here? I'm really curious to what your strategical choices were. 3x Annointed on Phoenix. Leader has Strategic Genius and Betrayers Crown Aventis Firestrike 30 PG 10 PG 10 PG Cogs Comet Long story short, play a very bunkery/reactionary game but know when to be mobile. I had a 50/50 to win round 5 and 6 and lost both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Crono said: Aventis Firestrike Haha! Awesome! I saw the moment, for a second I thought that you actually bought Aventis and painted him as Anointed on Frostheart Phoenix, just to use as seperate Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellynor Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 6 hours ago, That Guy said: List I might try sometime as alternative to the list Ceranadian posted: Allegiance: OrderRealm: HyshLeadersDragonlord (340)- General- Trait: Master of Defense - Artefact: Mirrored Cuirass -Wargear: Lance and ShieldAnointed on Frostheart Phoenix (280)- Artefact: Lens of RefractionArchmage (100)- SteedLoremaster (140)Battlelines5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)Units:10 x Dragon Blades (280)10 x Dragon Blades (280)BattalionsDragonlord Host (130)Endless SpellsQuicksilver Swords (20)Total: 1990/ 2000Allies: 0 / 400Extra CP: 1Wounds: 106 Hi all! New to the thread but I've been playing High Elves since 6th Ed. Currently trying to build a Tempest's Eye list in between new battletome releases (oh boy was that Flesh Eaters a needed boost!) but I try to keep an eye on my old armies as they pop up. @That Guy I like this this. It is fast, it can hard where it needs to and it puts out some decent mortal wounds. The only weakness that seems to stand out is the lack of bodies will make holding objectives hard. Sure the dragon blades will hit like a ton of bricks, but if they get bogged down with a durable unit like plaguebearers or, Sigmar forbid, suffer a round of rubber lances that's going to be a pretty steep loss to come back from. That being said, as you mention, your speed should make it easier for you to chose the combats or use a reaver screen to protect the other. Worth a shot! I'd love to hear a battle report once they have had some time on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 10:52 AM, AaronWIlson said: Hey mate, as it stands the only thing I'm currently on the hunt for is the Seawarden on foot model! I have one from a failed cutter conversion from last year. pm me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Hey guys, new here, really want to try out some high elf lists, ideally wanted all avoidance, but informed that taking objectives is kinda important, so dropped in some hard hitters. Allegiance: OrderLeadersSkywarden (160)- General- Swifthawk Pennant- Trait: DauntlessDragon Noble (100)- Phoenix Banner- Artefact: Relic BladeBattleline5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)5 x Reavers (140)Units2 x Skycutters (240)- Eagle Eye Bolt Thrower2 x Skycutters (240)- Eagle Eye Bolt Thrower10 x Dragon Blades (280)10 x Dragon Blades (280)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 135 any thoughts or improvements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceranidian Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 On 2/25/2019 at 8:27 PM, That Guy said: Like your list, but I would replace the 3 x 10 Namarti Thralls with 3 x 5 Reavers. Also I would definetely split up the Phoenix Guard in 2 x 10 Phoenix Guard, not only can you spread them out a bunch, you also get 1 extra Keeper of Flame. And your Banners will be useful, if their units are 8" within each other, boosting them to Bravery 9. Your list seems to focus greatly on the alpha strike/ deathstar strike, because of taking the horn on the Dragonlord. I would suggest taking the Master of Defence trait at all times, just for the added defence. It will also stack with the Elemental Shield, because it's a different ability and I would run the Realm Chamon in your case to take the Rune Blade artefact on the Dragonlord, turning his lance to -3 rend, absolutely devastating combined with the horn. And the Argent Armour on the Phoenix for a -1 to hit debuff vs the phoenix and ofc with the frost aura of the phoenix itself, this means -1 to hit and -1 to wound. Alternatively run a more defensive Dragonlord by going with the Realm of Light Hysh. Take the Armoured Cuirrass for the Dragonlord and maybe replace the horn with the shield, that's a personal preference. Than take the Lens of Refraction on the Phoenix, to defend against magic heavy comps, or take the Aetherquartz Brooch to recycle a few command points and use both command abilities. The only thing other than this that I have to mention is... that in all honesty the synergy for your Frostheart Phoenix is rather small(only 1 cast from the Archmage means, if the cast is succesful it will get a max of a 4+ save). I think you are relying to use the command ability of both your phoenix and dragonlord, which might work for 1 turn only, because of the added CP from the battalion, the other turns you are forced to choose between them. Thanks for the feedback (and sorry for the slow reply, wasn't actively following the thread anymore...)! I agree with your points, and I think I arrived at similar conclusions. I managed to get my hands on some Reavers so those are going in instead of the Namarti. Also, I think you're right regarding the list leaning a bit too heavily on alpha strike Dragonhost, so I'm thinking maybe replacing one unit of Dragonblades with a Loremaster might be the way to go (for additional Phoenix synergy and a good spell). I'd probably run the shield on the Dragonlord as well. Sadly can't split up the Phoenix guard since they are already built and painted as one unit of 20, but I guess I'll chose to view it as a sidegrade since they can now all activate at once in combat. So something like this: Allegiance: Order Dragonlord, shield and lance Anointed on Frostheart Phoenix Archmage Loremaster 3x5 Reavers 2x5 Dragon Blades 20 Phoenix Guard Dragonlord Host battalionTotal: 1970pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymarkka Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Is it legal to take the Dragonlord Host battallion if you are allegiance Order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 18 hours ago, markymarkka said: Is it legal to take the Dragonlord Host battallion if you are allegiance Order? Yup, if you got the requirements, sure. Cant have dragon blades as BL tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillz Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Any good alternatives for the Phoenix Guard models because finding them is a pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBS Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Drillz said: Any good alternatives for the Phoenix Guard models because finding them is a pain I use the following: https://www.momminiaturas.com/miniaturas-fantasia/elfos/ Cheap (option of 10 for 15eur!) and look better than the current GW ones, imo. I don't mind resin. Also, this mini is perfect for an Anointed, really should get my hands on it: http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/es/elfos/106-heroe-elfo-con-fenix.html Hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiagoma Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 You dont really need an Anoited if you buy the Phoenix Kit. It comes with 1 siting and 1 on foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crono Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 Long time no chat. I recently played with a Draconis list on the weekend at the ADFA Cup and boy did it go well! 2nd out of a field of 32! It's a great answer to some FEC builds too! I will likely run an identical list at the next event, with the only change being potentially subbing out the Sword of Judgement for the Dimensional Blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Televiper11 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 What a great list! Glad you've had success with it. I have a similar Order Draconis list that I plan on using over Easter weekend: Allegiance: Order DraconisDragonlord (340)- General- Shield & Dragon Lance- Trait: Dauntless- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet Dragonlord (340)- War Horn & Dragon Lance- Artefact: The Ragged Cloak Dragon Noble (100)- Phoenix Banner- Artefact: Sepulchral Plate Archmage (100)- Allies10 x Dragon Blades (280)10 x Dragon Blades (280)5 x Dragon Blades (140)5 x Dragon Blades (140)Dragonlord Host (130)Dragonlord Host (130)Quicksilver Swords (20)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Allies: 100 / 400Wounds: 98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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