GeneralZero

Wow! this is 5 boxes and a bunch of points for sure (1300 in the state of StD). So, you are just 1960pts with big daddy. If the varanguards go up by 10pts, you're f*cked. lol I'm also in love with varanguards. I just picked up my first unit waiting for the rules and synergies to eventually get a second pack. One of my ideas/hope is to make a alll-mounted/cavalry army. - varanguards (1 or 2 units) - knights (probably MSU) - chariots With some HQ: manticores, the new chaos mounted guy, even the (superb) warshrine. I'm sad that we won't have the mammoth, but I really hope we got the chaos giant, the slaughterbrute and eventually the mutalith (but I think that this one will be in the upcoming disciple of tzeentch)

I soooo wanted the Chaos War Mammoth! Master center piece on the table! This is a so iconic unit. But I'm afraid that being dicontinued both at GW and FW, its future is doomed.

Trump's hair in the wind!

You forgot the famous , the biggest, the majestuous Chaos War Mammoth !

As pointy guys, the unmade are also the ones that fit superbly, I think. They are also my fav if I had to add one warcry unit. BTW, contrary to SC! and ES (day one purchase) , I'll wait more info to decide IF I take a warcry unit. I have so many things already...

That'd be super surprising...

he built nine saying it is the right number lol

Please, plural to "wallet", so much to spend into this end of the year.

As expected. Day 1 for the SC! and ES for me. I'll wait a bit for some warband to see which one I like the most and which one fits the best in my strategies.(In clear, wait for more reveal of the battletome and warscroll/points of the bands.) Only 2 words: AT LAST !

I took them also, just because I love this kit. But expensive as hell. Hope that , as a bonus, they'll be efficient on the table.

It was. But now, with the keyword game, you can anticipate a faction by just bringing some unit with the keyword in the battletome (with of course, some bataillons, traits, artifacts , relics special rules, etc...) and then add some new units later. In fact, if GW, (yes, big IF there) were smart, he should have done it for all factions, allowing each faction some extent without changing the battletome!

According to the leak it'd rather be the week after (first week of december pre order the 7)

You forgot the most important thing here: the miniature is A-MA-ZING ! That was the main reason I spoke about him 😉

That is exactly my conclusion also. Nothing make him worth the 20 artificially added points. He would have been top in nurgle skaven army, nurgle StD army. It is a shame that this wonderfull mini, which fits superbly with StD couldn't even be an ally at 2k points.

I love the glottkin mini. I didn't buy it yet because I don't have nurgle army. But what? I just noticed that what I planned wouldn't work? I wanted to do a nurgle StD army with the glottkin and I see that if I want battle forged, I can't do it? The glottkin is 420pts, so, he can't be ally. But all StD can get the NURGLE keyword, can't they? Could you help me fit a glottkin in a StD army? What do I do wrong?

Endless spells

Your problem will be the mobility: you friend got it with some (super) heavy hitters. I'd suggest: - maybe a ES to slow down some of the enemies - one fast unit (riders) to counter a flank and go with the liege. - maybe only one unit of the guards need to be 20 (with arkhan giving life back...). Not sure. To be tested. If you can replace the 130pts by another hero (for more DP and magic, boneshaper would be my take)

I (super) love the morghast which indeed are not the best on the table. But you are right: after reselling what I didn't want to keep, and finally gotten rid of all ossiarch, I just have a 1500pts army for...60€ ! And that, completely NEW on sprues. (1 tyrant, 18 ogors, 6 leebelchers, 3 ironblasters). Add to this one of the best deal with the SC!, 140€ later I'm with 4 Stonhorn+8mournfangs added to the ogors making a almost 4000pts army 100% new for 200€. Unbeatable. I hope that I'll got a battleforce next year for OBR. This year, the battleforces a pretty bad (they were great last year).

I don't expect a lot of changes (read= almost zero) on the warscrolls. A bit rend here and there, maybe wounds and rules (abilities/commands). But I think that we'll get the most out of the batallions ond synergies (traits/relics etc...). Maybe some balance on the manticore. The choosen are the elite of our (already) elite army. They can't get rid of them. So, for now, I don't see some change. They are already hard hitters. But maybe some rules to make them move faster via spells or something. The minis show their age especially if they go side by side with the new (SC!) chaos warriors.

I'll add my personal experience. Be aware that it is only me 😉 When you start the army, you'll have to ask yourself also about the hidden costs (battletome, cards, dice, goodies, decors, ES...). You already answered about the Endless spells. I think that you forgot the decor which is in my opinion, mandatory (and a little bit OP at the zero cost in points. But it is not free in €£$. Don't forget it. The key sentence above is "If you are on a budget and looking for an all comers list". For all comers, I think that the very best of the best is...not ossiarch! lol. Arkhan is a killer. So, if you don't have him, it'd be a harder choice. If you already have him in a death army, it's a no brainer. Also, if you already have some harbinger, no need in short term of stalkers/immortis. The core of the army, that you'll see in most armies is only 3 units: guards, kavalos and liege. At low points, 1 of each at upper points, at least 2 of guards (40) and 2 of kavalos (10) and 1 liege = 1080 points. Arkhan and another HQ (bonereaper for cheap useful or another according to your preference) and you already are above 1500. (1700+ if you already have harbingers...). Me, and it is JUST ME : I had 3 boxes of feast of bones to start OBR. Already have Arkhan and death... I was excited to build around this. But I saw that it was an additional bare minimum of 150€. Not to finish the army, but just to get the minimum to play 2K with a bit of choice. I already have to finish several armies. I asked myself: what different things (from others) this army bring to me ? Not that much. (except that I love the minis). My pile of shame is already too big, the feast of bones already gave me an ogor army (for cheap). So, I decided: stop here. This is just a plastic (read= financial) immobilisation. I resold everything (almost at the UK FLGS market price) and got rid of OBR... except for ONE Vokmortian (because I know that I'll build this army in the (near) future). So, even if I start again OBR, I'd lost less than 10£€. But this budget game me enough to finish ogor and complete StD (whichare both > 3000pts with many army options). So, my ultimate advice IF YOU ARE ON BUDGET: wait for bundles and finish your pile of shame/complete your existing armies which will give you more strategic options for cheap: sooner or later, there will be a SC!, almost sure with guards. I bet that one of the AoS next year battleforce will be OBR and giving the unit range, pretty sure that with 2 boxes, you'll have a good starting point.

ALmost sure that it'll be in the new battletome. (Got 2 myself). Because it was in the last battleforce, because it is relatively recent plastic kit and dual kit.

I was super disapointed not seeing the (actual) giants in the mawtribes battletome. They sould have been there. They fit superbly. But no. GW decided they don't fit. Weird choice. They'd have been magnificent, especially if they benefit from synergies. I hope the same for the chaos giants (same kit) in the upcoming StD tome. But I'm pretty sure that i'll be disapointed once again....

If I'd have to guess about a reasonably soon release, I'd say the bell comes from a new (next month) StD Endless spell (or terrain)... Big enough compared the the skulls.

According to Leaks, january

that is typically what'd be FAQed because in one case guard are (almost) immortal (meaning OP) whereas in the other case they are resilient but ok (playable, I mean).