ArkanautDadmiral

I’m not getting into ‘he started it’ arguments, it’s playground stuff. My issue is all accountability is being put on GW when it’s not the case. Sodaz harassment can’t be excused because of GW. The comment you’ve quoted was in relation to someone saying GW had stifled Sodaz creativity, it’s false.

But there’s no evidence of a drop in quality. And you can’t in one breath be concerned for Sodaz wage at GW while in the other harass him for agreeing to the deal to the point he leaves the community. It’s not for us to decide what Sodaz should be happy to be paid, it’s for Sodaz to decide. The community can’t be defended here, they gave the guy so much hate he flat out left Warhammer. You can feel the apps etc are a scam dude, that’s your opinion. Not everyone feels that way though.

I think the trend will continue that creators who are on top of their game will get offered partnerships too. It’s just a shame that when one of them does accept they’re suddenly the enemy in many’s eyes.

I agree with everything you said. It was more a question for those claiming GW is shutting people down.

I don’t think painting videos or battle reports will be targeted at all and right now there’s 0 evidence that any have been. Why do people feel the need to preemptively complain about something that has not and may not happen? I signed the petition, I would like TTS to keep going but let’s not ignore the fact GW did not even contact TTS. TTS are the ones that decided to stop. On the painting channels and battle report channels. They’re all posting videos and comments about the bad, bad GW but they’re the ones with ability to bring about some change. They should put their money where their mouth is and make more content that’s not GW centric, push some other game systems, introduce their audiences to other options, try to grow the communities of GWs competitors. Once GW sees the money flowing somewhere else you’re likely to start seeing some change. Be the change you want to see.

What did GW do to Sodaz? They offered him a partnership which he initially accepted. Then he got a tonne of hate from the community for doing so and changed his mind, turned down GWs offer and moved away from the Warhammer community because of the harassment. GW did exactly nothing to TTS either… they made no contact at all with TTS… To date, how many animators has GW actually sent a c&d to?

I understand both sides of the coin. I’ll happily sign the petition, because I’d prefer a world with more fan animations. But I do understand GWs perspective if they don’t want people monetising their IP (which is all that’s happened to any creator so far). Anyway, signed. Hopefully they get a green light to keep doing what they do or at least a clarified stance from GW that they can continue to make it without monetising it at least. If non-monetised fan works start getting pulled, then I’ll be upset with the rest too. But that’s not the case yet.

Escalation league starting soon at 750 points, Thinking: Zilfin Endrinmaster - occular staff, tinkerer 9x ArkCo Frigate - skymines 5x Thunderers Gunhauler - compartments Could just as easy switch that to Nar though. Struggling for where to go at 1000, was thinking maybe (warlord battalion): Bjorgen Navigator - flare pistol Endrinmaster (general) - occular staff, tinkerer 10x ArkCo Frigate 5x Thunderers Gunhauler Profiteers my first games of AoS will be AoS 3 because of COVID. League was supposed to start last year, still not managed to get everything painted in time!

But if I feel like I have all I want and all I need does that not make me rich? How much more material wealth are you saying I should have to ensure I’m not poor in reality anymore?

Surely the empty bank account would make me feel more poor?

So poor in fact that we all spend our disposable income on admittedly expensive plastic toys. Go figure.

Yep, I did consider it might have been his brother himself too, don’t they breathe lightening? It’d be cool if it was a nod to maybe a new Shaggoth incoming but I think it’s probably most likely Sigmar related. Looking forward to finding out regardless.

So Karazais scars look like Lichtenberg Figures, what do we think went down?

Haha I spoke too soon… Not a big fan on first impression, a head swap would have fixed it for me but doesn’t feel right on a named character.

Oh yeah like I said my money would be on Ulgu. Part of me hopes Malerion is a bit further off though so I can get some other projects done first, because they’re likely going to be an insta buy haha. GW are just making too much good stuff right now. I’m excited for the drakes later but maybe it’ll be a good thing if it puts me off doing SCE haha.

I think Ulgu would be the bet to put money on, but I could also see Chamon or Ghyran as possibilities. I’d really like to start seeing Cities / Dawn Bringer Crusade war bands introduced in each realm so the artists can explore some of the aesthetics and cultures related to living in those realms. Other than that I’d completely agree I’d like to see Duardin, Spiderfang and Eshin / Skyre.

Then please explain it for everyone who’s got it wrong?

Edit: on reflection this was all about ranty and off topic so I’ve removed it. Hopefully someone can get the thread back on track.

I’m really looking forward to the dragons tomorrow!

I agree with your deeper points here but I think the ‘support’ thing is a bit of an argument about semantics which doesn’t have a huge impact on the underlying point. But you’re right as consumers were offered a choice to buy the product or not. GW don’t force us. We’re free to spend or not spend. I can’t wrap my head around how someone can have such utter contempt for company X but still put money into their product, perpetuating the cycle. Especially when their biggest gripe is company X only cares about profits; yes, maybe, but you’re giving them to them! Some seem to be trying to separate the product from the company that makes it here (evidenced by one users “GW don’t make things, they just own them…’ stance) which seems like a convenient way of trying to disassociate themselves from their spending relationship with the business that gives them the ability to act in ways they don’t find desirable. EA and the Fifa series are another good example of this, every year people buy the game and complain it’s poor or nothings changed etc, but every year they still buy it! They also ignore that maybe some people like the game doesn’t change much, maybe they’re happy to pay for just the updated kits etc, some might not think it’s worth the price, but the money being spent proves otherwise. This has gone a little off topic though, sorry. Im confident we won’t see any channels get shut down. If you’re making fan art the loss of monetisation (and that’s all they’ll lose) on that shouldn’t be an issue. Fan art is supposed to be a labour of love, not a revenue stream. If more channels took that approach we’d probably see more interesting content instead of the same rehashed videos amongst numerous creators. Just look at the entitlement of Squidmar: His content is 99% Warhammer, he has 322k followers, he makes Warhammer painting videos for a living… I know who the main beneficiary of this relationship is and it’s not GW, no one is landing on his channel without already being a Warhammer fan already. The painting channels tend to push people towards alternate paint brands rather than Citadel. Climb down Squidmar, you’d have nothing without GW. Yet they’re the leeches? Imagine the level of arrogance… There’s literally some channels monetising nothing but complaints about GW. This turned out ranty for me but I’ll actually post instead of delete this time.

None of these content creators are creating their own fictional entities that have been influenced by Warhammer (and by extension any other fantasy or sci-fi trope), they’re monetising content that contains GWs specific IP, their universe, characters etc There’s a big difference between me putting a yellow bald man in an animation to putting Homer Simpson in it and setting it in Springfield with the rest of the cast.

You don’t consider buying and using their products as support? What company with a product exists to do something other than sell that product? Despite your contempt for GW, you still keep putting money in their pockets? Do you consider maybe you’re enabling the practices you disagree with?

I’ve never written and deleted so many responses before, thankfully when it popped up you’d written this I realised it’s probably wise not to bother engaging with that particular train of thought too. I don’t think we’ll see an impact on any creators except those that make fictional animations based on the IP. And even then i think they’ll still be able to make them but just won’t be able to monetise them (fair enough in my opinion). Nothing will happen to battle reports, reviews or painting channels.

You don’t have to answer this, but I’m interested to know how old you are and what industry you work in? Only because you’re questioning other people’s knowledge and trying to assert your own authority on the subject matter. Of course you don’t have to answer that. This is the second time you’ve claimed GW don’t create because they pay other people to do it for them, and then pay them less than they deserve. Is this strictly relating to small creators making GW ip products without a license, or for example hiring a production studio, I.e. Sun & Moon who are making Hammer & Bolter? Do you just mean in house employees? I just want some context as to who you’re positioning the small creator as here and what their relationship with GW is, examples would be helpful. So I can fully understand who you’re referring to.

You’ve got the flip side of this argument too though. I wouldn’t have touched this box if the Stormcast were the same style as before and/or if the Kruleboyz were more like the other Orruks. There must have been far fewer Beast Snagga boxes. If my local received the same allocation for Dominion as they did Beast Snaggas they would have sold out of Dominion too.