svnvaldez

I have no inside information on this but let’s be real... “I can tell you that release schedules were held close to the vest specifically, in part, to prevent customers from refraining from making purchases.” This is clearly true. Like unarguably. Sure it might not be the only reason but “to prevent customers from refraining from making purchases” is certainly on the minds of decision makers. I'm not even trying to claim if this is good or bad practice. Just to say it is not happening is mind blowing. I have played GW games for over 15 years and if you don’t think the above is exactly how GW practices you are not paying attention.

My gut feeling is mid summer for the box but I have no real idea.

Does the Loonbosses rather than Loonboss keyword not kill people the way it kills me! Maybe people really don't care but it drives me insane that the keywords do not match. I swear there use to be an FAQ about plural words and clarifying the difference between bold and italicize . This popped up when UK players were calling out Prosecutors with Celestial Hammers vs Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins but it seems it was removed in AOS2 when Keywords became a rule in the 18 pages. I have tried just caring less but it seems like these things only get fixed when UK "Big Names" call this stuff out.

I think he meant he only owns 1 model so he just took an undersized unit. ie, paying for 3 but taking less.

Nor have I and I have never seen a well placing tournament list have one since they were re-pointed in the GH2. Only BS armies I see are boar spam and Krukk.

Yea I forgot about that +1. Probably an excellent call by GW to make that limit. Can you imagine the awful "count as" and ebay prices for a filth spell that was completely under pointed and justified having multiples in a list.

Serious note thou... I don't know if it is better, I don't know if it is more fun, but Bonegrinz with the mandatory 2 casters is 1750. Ever played with adding in gloomspite endless spells? Do we still need 1 drop? would 2 or 3 be fine? Add in the mushroom bomb and a caster to come in at 1910? maybe add in a cave sham? This is 2 drops. You can't cast both those spells in a single turn but maybe you will have games where they can't dispell 1 and you get the other up as well. Might be a blast to play with. If you own 2 models and pay twice can you have 2 mushroom bombs? Pretty sure there are some rules on that in the endless spell section but I don't remember if it says yes you can or no you can't. 100% you can't cast 2 in the same turn but maybe you can lay down double clouds over 2 turns. Ben Savva's list is nice since he uses those 250 for 2 unbinds with +1 (Prophet and paint) and adds cogs for 1 of the 2 spells the prophet will be casting. I don't have the book open but I think cogs is 2 to movement (in any phase?) so that is an extra 4 inches of alpha strike if he needs it. 2 in the hero and 2 in move (double check that). I have seen him play on stream in which if he alpha strikes he then typically charges (at +4 from cogs and drums) to tag a single model in to slow the enemy down for a turn. Allegiance: BonesplitterzLeadersSavage Big Boss (120)- GeneralManiak Weirdnob (120)Maniak Weirdnob (120)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)- AlliesBattleline30 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (420)30 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (420)10 x Savage Orruks (120)- Chompas10 x Savage Orruks (120)- ChompasBattalionsKunnin' Rukk (200)Bonegrinz Warclan (110)Endless SpellsScuttletide (30)Mork's Mighty Mushroom (80)Total: 1950 / 2000Extra Command Points: 3Allies: 90 / 400Wounds: 182

All these lists are just Nicky Myland's list from Dec 2017 And I don't even remember the dudes name who was smashing face with double Krukk when arrows were 100 points for 10 and capped at 40! I think whoever that was has to be the OG krukk player. Just found a file on my computer titled "1. GH1 - x - Rob Sedgemans.pdf" Sometime long ago in the age of GH1 at event "x" this list was ran lol. I'm a total loser who has tried to back up all well placing GT destruction lists. Now that Dan from AOSshorts does it so well I have gotten lazy. The legendary "Da Great Green"... what a name. This man knew his list was destined for greatness.

We need to all mail each other our Big Stabbas to borrow! I only own 8 lol. Side note: How amazing would it be if you got 2 free stabbas for every 8 orruks and they were just part of the unit (like netters) with mixed bases. This would be cool for ogres as well that come with a few grots in the box. Help them gain models for objectives. I really like the idea of mixed based units. Allegiance: BonesplitterzLeadersWurrgog Prophet (140)- General- Trait: Squirmy Warpaint - Artefact: Mystic Waaagh! Paint - Lore of the Savage Waaagh: Brutal Beast SpiritsManiak Weirdnob (120)- Artefact: Big Wurrgog Mask - Lore of the Savage Waaagh: Hand of Gork or MorkOrruk Warboss (140)- Great Waaagh Banner- AlliesBattleline5 x Savage Boarboys (100)- Chompas5 x Savage Boarboys (100)- Chompas5 x Savage Boarboys (100)- ChompasUnits8 x Savage Big Stabbas (400)8 x Savage Big Stabbas (400)8 x Savage Big Stabbas (400)BattalionsTeef Rukk (100)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 140 / 400Wounds: 159

I think every list can do with 60 even without a single buff. Its 360 points for 60 bodies/60 wounds with a -1 to hit aura that can be Hand of Gorked. Gloomspite are not short on CP so you will almost always be able to pass a battle shock test with IP. AOS is a game of objectives so I find it hard to believe you won't want 60 sitting on an objective in almost every game you play.

I think there is zero chance but it would be interesting if it happens.

They probably will not match well but grot scuttlings are cheap to find and make a decent netter "count as"

How many 6 ups did you roll to get a unit back? The soul crushing look of both players when 30 arrowz comes back!

@PlasticCraic did the 200 points of big stabbas do anything?

I'd bet serious money its coming. These things take time but its coming!

Mine is almost exactly 1.5in in diameter (38.1mm). Its the base GW sent me. Just put it on a 40mm (1.5748in) base imo.

I also think that this restriction was introduced in GH1 and stated that the restriction was a matched play restriction. Back then it was perfectly fine to cast multiples of the same spell in open play. I think in AOS2 they moved this rule from the GH to the core rules. Meaning even in open play your only suppose to cast 1 spell of the same name a turn. Here is the rule on pg8 of the core rules.

Not to be an echo chamber but I agree. I have played GW games for 15 years and I think this is a fair assessment.

I feel that if changes didn't occur in the 2 week FAQ they will not come at all unless its a blatant error or a simple change like modifying a keyword or replacing things like "melee attacks" with "attacks". So when I speak I generally try not to talk about warscroll changes since I believe that to be a unrealistic expectation. Points on the other hand can be changed with each GH and we should not take a whipped dog mentality when we lobby for our faction on social media, at a local gw store, etc etc. imo a MK at the max should be 400. At the MAX. Either lower him or raise other comparable monsters.

Exactly. Yet we all stay in a destruction forum and I bet alot of us don't play armies outside of destruction. We destruction players are a special breed and GW knows that. We probably would buy the models no matter what the rules are. I'm happy with Gloomspite, they seem fun, they seem decent, I love the models etc etc. And that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about optimization. Just means we should always acknowledge that what drew most of us to destruction probably wasn't the rules.

I played the entirety of last year with an optimized list and did not have a lick of fun because I wasn't using the models I like and the play style I enjoy. I also take enjoyment from winning so semi-optimization is important to me and I would not have enjoyed losing with an un-optimized list. What resulted is I played 1/3 of the tournaments that I had planned to since I was not bothered to go. Everyone is different. Everyone has their own goals. There is no right answer so do what you enjoy. For me that was focusing on painting because I have a deep love for this game and the models that are involved in it.

Totally, what we talk about a lot is optimization which I believe is incredibly important if your goal is to win the game. But that isn't everyone's goal and it does not have to be. I have always believed in buying and painting the models you like because they will look great on the shelf and bring you happiness regardless of how often you get to play the game. It's important to be a informed consumer and if your goal is for a model to perform well in game do not be disappointed if you did not do your homework before hand and consider optimization.

Taking it a step further rumors have all but confirmed we will get Gutbusters, Slaanesh, Seraphon and Mixed Everchosen/Slaves to Darkness in the near future. LoN, DoK, Deepkin and Nurgle all have AOS2ish books (They have the new black labels rather than the gold). That leaves Aelves, Bonesplitterz, IJ, Dispossessed, Tzeentch, Free Peoples, Fyreslayers, Sylvaneth, and KO. If I was a betting man I would go with those names as the next tomes: Probably: Gutbusters, Slaanesh, Seraphon, Mixed Everchosen/Slaves to Darkness, BS from what I hear this year. Then: Aelves, IJ, Dispossessed, Tzeentch, Free Peoples, Fyreslayers, Sylvaneth, and KO next year.

Completely agree. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/05/faction-focus-index/ Take a look at the index of AOS 2.0 (It has been quite predictive of the armies we have seen so far). We have got SCE, Nighthaunt, Mixed Beasts, Mixed Grots, Mixed Skaven, FEC, and soon Khorne. If you look at the Mixed Grots closely you see Giants, Trolls, Spiders, Moonclan all in 1 army... without gitmob. This has not been predictive of new models however. Many finecast grot models pictured have been replaced.

I agree GW needs to do something with legacy armies. But I probably differ with you on what needs to be done. If legacy armies will not be re-imagined and updated in there rules like what they just did with Skaven I believe they should be removed completely from the GH matched play point section. There is nothing stopping ppl from using old models and "Legends" warscrolls in Narative and Open. That's where unsupported armies should be imo. However it is frustrating to try to use an army they still sell with the expectation that they will be playable in matched play when clearly GW has no interest in investing the resources to make them work in game.