Clan's Cynic

Fyreslayer and Idoneth Battletomes. Full reveal of the Nighthaunt model with "and Nighthaunt players can look forward to more news in the future!" which will just be their Battletome announcement on Community. Anything else'll be a bonus.

Man Reads Book plays game.

When they announced the boxset they said more news was coming for Idoneth and Fyreslayers, which can only really mean Battletomes. My guess is they'll reveal those and maybe the Nighthaunt model, but anything beyond that'll be a bonus.

I don't expect we'll see another CoS 'tome again, even if that's just because Dawnbringers end up being the successor to it. Either way, my take is we won't actually see a followup until the Dispossessed/Wanderer parts of the book have been siphoned off into their own Battletomes - whether that's Dawi Soup/Grungni's thing and Sylvaneth/Kurnothi or just squat'ed entirely - leaving it a largely human book with a more defined theme of "normie humans".

My guess? Rest of the Eldar revamp. Maybe some Chaos Space Marines. Idoneth/Fyreslayer Battletomes. That'll be it.

LVO Preview confirmed for Thursday/Friday (depends on your timezone), but no specifics about what'll be there. Other than that the only AoS related pre-orders are Gitslayer's paperback and Gothghul Hollow.

To be frank, I think Double Turn is one of those things where almost none would be upset at it's removal - even people who defend it - compared to the positive response it would receive. I genuinely don't think I've ever seen someone use Double Turn as a selling point for AoS. I can think of plenty of other wargames where XYZ feature is touted as such, and a fair bit for AoS, but never Double Turn.

In the current Battletome it's 1 in 5.

That's not true, they had a roadmap for the already revealed Orks and Black Templars... Oh, wait, REAL roadmaps you say?

Yeah, it's just the 4chan educated guess """leaks""". Ask a random person on this thread and they probably know more than SpikeyBits. I wouldn't even dignify them with a link to their website.

They actually made the Limited Edition covers worse in 3.0. Originally it was just the full piece of art without any headers or letters, because it wasn't going to be sat on a store shelf having to tell people what it was. Now they slap the AGE OF SIGMAR title on there in big letters and you're paying £20 more (even more if you buy normal Battletomes at a discount) just to make the cover a bit shiny but otherwise identical. At least the 8th edition 40k ones had alternate cover art. Still not worth the price but the novelty was there.

Double Turn could work if the game had alternating phases ALA Lord of the Rings. You'd still have the unpredictability and potential edge of someone going twice, but the overall impact would be lessened because you're not getting to do EVERYTHING all over again. Shooting would still be very powerful, but at least your opponent could either have repositioned in the Movement phase knowing it's coming, or they could immediately return fire with their own. In an I Go You Go system though, forcing Double Turns is just shoving a square peg into a round hole. GW's doubling down on shooting in 2.0 definitely hasn't helped that either. The problem with the "it helps people come back" argument is that for every game someone does go twice later and make a comeback, there's another where they get absolutely stomped twice.

I don't think there'll be much official AoS/TOW overlap if we use 40k and 30k as an example. Look at how there's zero overlap with what gets turned into a new, plastic release for 40k. Although there'd been Marine aircraft from Forge World that could've been turned into plastic, they still invented new ones and the designs are pretty damn different. Sure there was the Baneblade and Valkyrie, but those were a long time ago. Aeronautica Imperialis doesn't use any designs that weren't FW kits first (Valkyries) despite being set in 40k timeline. Nothing that came first from 40k is used. Now, that's not to say TOW won't have plastic kits - 30k has them after all - but I don't expect we'll have Empire State Troops pulling double duty with Freeguild, at least officially. Remember that TOW kits also need to rank up; yeah the Deathrattle Skeletons could work in Fantasy visually, but those poses aren't lining up together even if GW have 'slot in' rank trays with room between them.

Saw this on Reddit, from the back of the new White Dwarf. It could just be they used it in a photo and forgot he's OOP, but could be Malagor is going to get a MTO run or is being put back into production?

Hopefully this hints at some future God-specific Daemon Prince kits. The 40k Nurgle Daemon Prince is still one of my favourite models ever. Warhammer-Community article.

Nothing. I'm guessing they'll be an LVO announcement at this point. Fyreslayer Vanguard will almost certainly include a Magmadroth, since you literally can't get it outside of the Start Collecting. After that I'd guess a box of Vulkites, a box of Hearthguard and maybe a Battlesmith. If they're feeling generous maybe x2 boxes of Hearthguard. Over on the 40k front, the Combat Patrols for lesser played factions appear to have some fantastic value (the GSC box is absolutely packed with stuff), so it may be the Fyreslayer Vanguard ends up being quite good, similar to how when the SC for Fyreslayers first landed you basically got the Vulkites for free.

Same, same. If the Squats absolutely have to be shoehorned into the Imperium, I'd like fighting between them and the 'mainline' to be a somewhat common occurrence just because by far my biggest frustration as a Guard player is that 90% of my tabletop games end up being against another Imperial faction, usually Space Marines. People like to say "Imperial infighting happens" but Cadians don't throwdown against the Ultramarines in half their battles and said infighting is usually very rare and tied almost exclusively to historical events or done by traitors who just turncoated five minutes ago. One of the things I like about AoS is that the vast majority of factions are given some excuse as to why they'd fight both members of their own GA and their own faction. Hell, even Stormcast vs Stormcast got the 'VR Simulator Arena' justification, which was a nice touch I thought.

GW seems keen to organise everything under Imperium/Chaos/Xenos these days, so I'd be surprised if they're not part of the Imperium. Plus they can sell them to all the Marine players as Allies.

I'd rather an updated design just modernise the old sculpt and therefore slot nicely into my existing army, rather than radically overhaul and look out of place next to both the other units and my existing version it's replacing. New units? Sure, go crazy. But an updated sculpt should be just that imo.

People would rather play a bad wargame than have no wargame at all. A lot of people only stick with 40k/AoS because you can take your models, walk into just about any gamestore in the country - or abroad - and you've a reasonable chance of finding a game, especially 40k. There are plenty of other rulesets to play from, but very few people take them up despite positive word-of-mouth and I think this is also why houseruling is looked down upon, because you can stumble into Random Joe and if you both know the 40k/AoS ruleset you can plonk down the models. You can put £500 into a new 40k army and know years from now you'll be able to use it. If you play anything else, whether that's Legion, Malifaux, MCP, Warmahordes, there's always the chance that a botched edition, a bankruptcy, players moving, whatever, can swoop in and kill your local community at any moment. The overwhelming majority of people get into wargaming with 40k, so whilst there's probably a good turn over of people there's always a steady stream of freshfaced newbies to replace them. If GW releases the worst edition of 40k ever you still know almost everyone is still going to be playing it - AoS less so, but odds are you'll still find far more players for it than non-GW games.. How many times have you looked at alternative wargames and thought, "Wow that looks cool. I'd love to try it but I don't know anyone who'd play locally" and that about sums it up. It doesn't help that when people do take up the flag for those other games, all of their hardwork to establish a community can be killed by nothing more than the latest edition of 40k sweeping up all the buzz for months and leaving the perception the other game is "dead locally." I think this is also why historicals tend to buck the trend, because Shermans and Tigers and Napoleon's Imperial Guard were real things and any company - whether it's got a turnover of millions or is literally a guy casting in his garage - can make models for them and therefore people/communities tend to be very flexible about rulesets, far more than what you see in fantasy and sci-fi communities. A Panzer IV is a Panzer IV, the only difference is scale and most systems are pretty agnostic about it for that reason, but there's only one IP an Intercessor Marine comes from. Wargaming isn't cheap - and no I don't want to hear any "hurr there are more expensive hobbies" - so it's understandable people don't want to feel like they're wasting money or that their chosen game could go over the edge at any moment. I think that's why there's so much excitement for The Old World even though if you talk to just about anybody who isn't welded to Games Workshop would tell you Mantic/Kings of War is a far better written game than anything GW will make; because ultimately TOR is likely going to ensure there's an active, consistent community by virtue of being a GW game.

I'd be surprised if LVO doesn't have a preview just because there's still a lot of the Eldar stuff to show off - a lot of which has been Potato Cam leaked now anyway. The Defence of the North stuff for MESBG still needs fully showing off and it'd be weird to wait until March, although they've had impromptu reveals of those at LotR events before so that's not a given for LVO. Underworlds is presumably due another Warband between now and March too.

Nothing AoS next week. Well, there's the Blood Bowl Rat Ogre if you wanted to convert I guess?

GW work... strangely, or should I say inconsistently. I don't think Tome Celestial is necessarily indicative of a Battletome not coming for a while. If you said "Lumineth will get their second Battletome in eight months" in June 2020 you'd probably have been laughed out of the thread.

I remember when there was an obvious typo for Neophyte Hybrids in 40k being something stupid like 120pts each and a lot of tournaments still insisted on them being run RAW. Don't hold your breath.