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I can't remember. Was it the Nuln Landship? I know it's unlikely, but if like to see some of the really old Empire plastic kits redone. State Troops, Free Company Militia, Knights and Flagellants are all really showing their age. If I had to pick one I'd most like to see redone, it'd be Knights as (a) that horse mini is so old (1991) and (b) having options in the kit to model different orders (at least KotWW, but others would be cool) and Inner Circle would be great.

I'm hoping they keep the whole civil war angle, and give us some interesting stuff around that. In particularly, flesh out Talabecland (Middenland is already likely, and Reikland is kinda the default). Let's learn more about what those Taal worshipping woodsmen are like!

I unsubscribed back when the Only Hands thing happened (asking with an email me m to GW making it chat that's why I had). I can't say I was ever that impressed by the contents though. Some of the animated pieces were decent, but I mostly subscribed for the free mini. I get the feeling it has probably been a bit of a failure on GW's side, and now they have their agreement with Amazon they'll likely slowly wind it down.

Yeah it'll be interesting to see what they do for the Armies of Infamy. I could see them bugging the current trend if only including two, and doing four, one for each God, perhaps with some "official" daemons. Alternatively maybe they'll be more creative. Fleshed out spell lores would be great too. Agreed. That's what I'd like to see, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've circled what I think are the KO and FS accessories. The belt is perfectly acceptable as any Dwarf thingy. I guess the KO accessories are a bit techy, but I don't think they are out of place.

I still can't work out what the distinct KO and FS accessories are supposed to be 😆 He ain't staying on that base in TOW anyway, so no worries on that front.

At least one Dwarf is going to be released relatively soon. Looks like a good basis for a Dwarf character. Not sure why they aren't giving him TOW legends rules (actually I know exactly why).

Put it in the book! Eventually you will gain the Hatred (Games Workshop) special rule 😆

They're the same picture.

I'm 99% certain they won't release any new kits in metal. The Bretonnian foot character was an old sculpt, so an exception, but at this stage I think anything newly sculpted for TOW will be plastic it, more likely, FW resin.

My guess for BoC is an O&G style release i.e. no new plastics at all, a couple of new resin characters (one named, one generic). I get the distinct impression GW have labeled them as an unpopular faction (why else would AoS willingly drop them from their range rather than keeping them as a dual system faction like S2D is in all but name). Hopefully I'm wrong though. If I were being more optimistic, I could see GW releasing a plastic Tuskgor/Razorgor Chariot kit that can also construct a character on foot and, if you decide to go with Tuskgors, can be used to assemble Razorgors as a standalone unit. That replaces an old resin kit, gives official support to one that is currently unsupported, and gets rid of the awful Razorgor mini, plus gives an extra character option. I didn't we'll get a plastic unit, but if I'm wish listing I'll say that if like to see Centigors get plastic sculpts (also Gors, but that ain't going to happen). As for WoC, I think they're decently likely to get some plastic releases because I think they're viewed as a fairly popular faction (of the "evil" factions perhaps the most popular). I don't think we'll see Asavar Kul, I think he'll come later in a campaign book. I also doubt they'll recreate in plastic anything which has an AoS counterpart (Lord on Daemonic Mount for example), though I could see resin versions that fit TOW bases better. For plastic, I think a paired character kit with a Chaos Steeds and the ability to build a battle standard seems likely (hopefully a Champion and Wizard, both who can either ride the Steed or be on foot, and the Champion can be given a banner) as that covers an obvious gap in the range. We'll get at least one named character (probably in resin), but I could see the Arcane Journal containing five (one for each mark) with more than one getting a mini at this stage. I could see a Chaos Dragon kit: it's be a popular enough lot amongst collectors that it could justify the cost. I kinda doubt we'll get any plastic unit kits though. Chaos is very well served by AoS and whilst officially the two shall never meet, I think there's a tacit understanding that people will but AoS stuff to use in their armies anyway. Maybe Forsaken will be given a facelift? Of course they might introduce entirely new stuff in the Arcane Journal, and whilst so far they've expect that to be handled with conversions, they might buck that trend and release a kit. I think WoC are far more likely to get a plastic unit kit than BoC. Of course this is all speculation. I think all that we can fairly safely say is we'll get resin characters for both 😄

Looking at the sprues, it seems unlikely it'll be changed to 5 as they don't really divide up that way. The way Hachette has usually dealt with things like this in the past is to split them across two magazines, but that would require bumping something else in the plan which, at this point, seems unlikely? After all, they'll likely have written and printed the magazine content already (barring Ardboyz changes, though even there they might have been given advanced warning of the change by GW).

Empire alone makes sense if there still going to emphasize the civil war: could be a larger release if characters representing various claimants of the throne (hopefully with some additional plastic kits too).

Agreed. I've got to say one if the things that I like so much about TOW is how much it's encouraging converting. Obviously there's nothing stopping you doing so in AoS, but there's just much less need since there are fewer options and most minis are excellent. But I'm TOW there are far more options, sometimes official kits are... not great, and most importantly you can actually invest yourself in your characters without them being shot off the table in turn one of every game, so individualizing them feels more rewarding.

As much as it pains me to do so, I've ended up ordering TOW stuff direct from GW. It's the only way to be somewhat confident my other will actually be fulfilled. If much rather order from an FLGS, but I want to know I'll actually get what I ordered in a reasonable time too so...

I think that's an exaggeration. You need to be careful when doing it yes, but I think it can be useful. Special units are meant to be rarer, but I don't think that means they are meant to be better value points wise. Generally they bring something a bit more interesting to the table over Core units, which in the case of Black Orcs is definitely the case (Quell Animosity is amazing). Character tax is only really a tax if you don't want the character is your army. Black Orcs don't really fall into that category, they are excellent. Other than being short on points, I can't see a situation where you'd rather take a ordinary Orc War/Big-boss over a Black Orc one. Personally I think fitting two units of Black Orcs into an army is very doable, unless you are specifically going for a theme where Black of Characters aren't welcome. All good points (other than M 3: I definitely think it's a very big deal, just as I think Bestigors getting M 5 is a huge bonus). Meh. Paying points for +1 Strength and Armour Bane (1), but losing the ability to use a Shield whilst doing so doesn't seem worth it. Plus let's be honest, even with their stats, 7 attacks (assuming a front row of 6 and a champ) at WS 5, S 5, AP -1 and Armour Bane (1) is not going to do that much. Expected damage of 3 and a bit assuming hitting on 3s, wounding on 2s and the enemy having a 5+ save (if the enemy has T 4 or a better save that rapidly diminishes). You really need volume of attacks to make doing damage a viable way of winning combat. I guess. They just don't feel like a unit I'd want to take in their current form. If I want less elite infantry than Chosen I think I'd go for Marauders over Chaos Warriors, and then both Marauder Horsemen and Warhounds are more appealing from the point of view of filling my core "tax".

I've been comparing WoC units to other factions, and I'm getting the distinct feeling that Chaos Warriors need a buff. The most notable comparison is with Black Orcs, who are a point cheaper per model whilst coming with Full plate as standard, Furious Charge (getting Charges off might be hard, but this is big if you can), Choppas (better than Ensorcelled Weapons on the Charge, and better when using non-hand weapons) and Motley Crew (making it far easier to mix resilience with offensive output). Bestigors are the same points as Chaos Warriors, and as long as their Champion is alive they only trade a point of Weapon Skill for a point of Movement (worth it imho). They come with Great Weapons as standard. Finally, Warband, Primal Fury and Blood Rage all combine for some nice offensive buffs. Dwarfs have a number of veteran options which make for good comparisons with Chaos Warriors, but I'll focus on Longbeards as the least specialised of these (Ironbreakers are more of an anvil unit, and Hammers are more of a fighty unit). Longbeards lose a point of Movement and two points of Initiative in exchange for a point of Leadership, all for one point less than Chaos Warriors. Gromril Weapons are similar to Ensorcelled Weapons, and Veteran is similar to the Mark of Chaos Undivided, but they get Shieldwall and Venerable, and one unit can gain Drilled. Finally, they have a smaller base size. There are other comparisons that can be made, but generally speaking it just feels like Chaos Warriors are a bit lacking when compared to similar units in other armies. It's hard to make them offensively effective without either giving them Frenzy, or severely hurting their defense, but for their price their defense is not that amazing either. Personally I think I'd make the following changes to them: Give them the option for Full Plate. Seriously, look at them, how are they not wearing Full Plate. Yes, this steps on the toes of Chosen, but Chosen get their 6+ Ward as well, so I think Full Plate is fine for Chaos Warriors. This also allows them to be very good in an anvil role (3+ save is no joke), or be more offensive without being too fragile. Make them a point cheaper (12 points per model base). I think these two would make them more competitive with other factions elite infantry. Thoughts?

Is this 100% confirmed to be the new ones? If so I might have to grab a copy of I can add they are lovely minis.

That's a possibility. Chariots have the unique property of being the only troop type immune to both Killing Blow and Monster Slaying, so make pretty decent mounts for independent characters. I definitely plan to do this for the 40k Juggernaut (with a non-SM mount), as impact hits make so much sense for it.

I think they had a certain elegance to them that matched the art from the time. Like you could imagine them dancing up to a unit of Empire state troops, being vaguely alluring enough to cause hesitation, then in sudden, elegant bursts of artistic violence murdering the distracted troops. The current (and previous) Daemonettes never captured that fur me: they just look horrific (not badly sculpted, horrific in the sense of causing horror). The level of sculpting was also simply excellent by the standards of the time. Like the impression of ribs were just visible on they're chests. By modern standards that's pretty achievable, but remember Diaz was literally sculpting in greenstuff so what he was able to achieve at that scale was pretty amazing. That said it is, ultimately, subjective. You're not wrong for not thinking they're excellent 🙂

Oh yeah, from a purely gameplay perspective I think that's right. But I want to create me own homebrew Archaon leading his own homebrew Swords of Chaos 🙁

If they channeled the spirit of Juan Diaz' metal daemonettes (minus the nudity, since I don't think GW would get away with that) in a modern plastic kit I'd buy... all of them?

What are people's thoughts on the Daemonic Mount? I absolutely love the AoS lord on Daemonic Mount mini, and to me Daemonic Mounts are the quintessential Chaos Mount. Something about the fact that it's an actual Daemon, likely gifted by the Chaos Gods to their mortal Champion, or perhaps won in a battle of wills, just feels narratively right. Plus let's be honest, we all kinda want our Chaos Lord to be this guy But GW have made it hard to love them. The first issue is that during them in a 40x60mm base is a squeeze. It can be done, but they do look a little cramped. 50x75mm is fine, but then they don't rank up nicely with knights, and that upsets my sense of aesthetics. Adding to that is that in the latest FAQs Chaos Steeds were given First Charge, allowing a unit of Chaos Knights lead by a character on one to use the ability. Daemonic Mounts do not have that rule, which makes them much less appealing in that role. You also lose Barding, meaning your Chaos Lord can't (easily) reach a 2+ Save. In exchange what do you get? A significantly better attack profile (WS 4 vs. 3, S 5 vs. 4, 2 attacks, Armour Bane 1, Magical Attacks and 1 Stomp Attack), one extra Move (useless in the leading Chaos Knights role), and an extra wound. To me it just feels like Chaos Steeds are the better option in most cases, at least for Lords. I could perhaps see Sorcerer Lords benefiting from a Daemonic Mount, but if I had the points I'd probably prefer a Manticore for flying.

Yeah, I think size wise he's fine compared to infantry etc., it's just that if you have him in the same army as things like Ogroid Theridons (representing Chaos Ogres or Minotaurs or whatever) I feel like he might not feel gigantic enough. The same is obviously true of the metal giant when compared to, for example, Rockgut Troggoths in O&G.

If I was the head of AoS I'd be incredibly keen to see the old Skaven minis officially return to TOW, knowing that a lot of people will but new AoS sculpts and boost my team's sales.