Swamp Trogg

Kurnothi, while interesting and all, remains a sub faction, not a decade long existing army with a visible comunauty.

Imho, Fellwaters are both too modern and too modulars to be redone before a long time. Which fits me, since I've got litteraly a dozen of them and fit them quite fitting beside my Hag and my stone troggoth 😁 I think they are clearly not a top one priority for troggoth, and that both their style and game play goes well with Kruleboyz. Swampy beasties with a little bit of shooting and the ability to throw a whole lot of dice are really nice.

Unfortunately, you'll have to take my word for granted on the Island of blood matter, since I have not hard evidence to prove it. But the simple fact that old plastic was used when the AoS version was reboxed is vocal enough in my opinion. It's not about kids being dumb or clumsy, or not having access to a ton of online help. It's about being able to appeal to the greater number, ence the importance to sell something that will speak to everyone. Not all kids will be intimidated by complicated miniatures, but a part of them will be. And since what GW seeks is a common base for all, they adapt their products in that way. And Stormcasts have been conceived in order to be able to appeal to the largest panel of people possible, while staying accessible. Whatever anyone's opinion on the subject, they are easy to identify, easy to build, to paint, to apprehend. Well, easier than Cities or Umbraneath for what it's worth 😅

They may have sold well, but not well enough, since the relaunch of island of blood in early AoS was in fact a reboxing of unsold models printed far earlier. Futhermore, starter set are not about pleasing an existing fan base: they are all about recruitment. That's why island of blood in 8th edition contributed to the doom of the old world. It did sold quite nicely among the existing player base, but failed to expand it significantly. Notably because none of the model inside was easy really they easy to paint or to sold to people anaware of the game or setting. That's why Stormcasts doesn't need to even be the most popular faction to justify their presence in a series of starter sets. They just need to be beginner friendly, which they are. Because they need to appeal to young players, to not rebuke their parents (who got the money) and to be recognisable poster boy. And they need to be easy to paint to keeps the new players long enough, to encourage them to keep painting, playing, ans buying. With this in mind, pitting religious zealots with a baroque iconography and numerous and detailed models against shadowy demons with fiddly bits as a starter set may please us, but will not help people from hobby center to recruit new players. Ence the fact that I, for one, doesn't not belive in a non Stormcasts starter set, and even more, doesn't believe in a starter set with a ultra detailed adversarie in front of them, but more with something rather simple to apprehend, like Nighthaunts, who can look nice with juste a wash over a base coat. But i don't want to be all doom and gloom : we're still gonna have our humans and shadowy demons, and probably with a nice army set 😀

Even if it would be a tremendous boxset, I don't believe in a Cities of Sigmar against Darkoath/Dark Elves as a starter set. That would be the same fatal mistake, imho, as Isle of Blood: two populars yet secondaries factions, with rather un-beginner to paint faction. One of the faction will always be Stormcasts, at this level, it's about the image of the brand. But Darkoath or Dark Elves as adversaries, why not.

"AoS: Seraphon reveal" Weren't the two chaos battle tomes programmed to get out before the order one in the schedule that we got? If so, I expect some Khorne and Slannesh reavels (with one character on both sides and maybe a little bit more for Khorne).

For me, the first shadow seems to be a new Slaan priest. The others are pretty straightforward, and the last one could be an Aelf or a Slaaneshi worshiper (or both, as it as been said), but he think it will be the first one (there is some slaanesh looking RE and I think they do not correspond to the last shadowy figure).

Yup! It's still in the app, so still legal. But i guess our smelly friends will get some updated factions rules in the upcoming Battle Tome.

The Troggoth Hag is still sold, and in the official app, appears in the monstrous Arcanum section, instead of the legends one. Furthermore, you can has her to your armies in the official builder, so I guess she's still perfectly legal.

Personally, I would love Mollog to be re-released as a generic character : with his mace and his gribbles, I think he would make for an amazing Troggoth Shaman, with his special staff and with his Littles helpers / magical familiars 😄

King Brodd 's Pilar/weapon for the next Sons of Behemath realese!

About the Battlescroll update... Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't we getting a tad too much enthusiastic? Aren't we mixing "warscrolls", stats and rules for models, with" Battlescrolls", rules for battles?

Furthermore, if you look closely, you'll see that her warscroll is slightly better: here profile degrades slowly, and not as much as before. This, plus all the bonuses for being a hero, a monster and a wizard, in this edition, i think she's in a good spot. And at least, she's still there

Could Fellwaters Troggoth be the answer? Thinking of it, they fit, both visually (even if not perfectly) and thematically. They would not even be the first unit to be shared among battletomes (the giant is a prime exemple in this regard). I guess if Fellwaters ends up in the new battletome with a kruleboyz, keyword attached, it will do the trick for me

The Warscroll Builder, which has been updated, has him at 420 points. Until we get an update from FW, i guess this is the right price 🤔

About the Hag: i don't know if this will stay relevant in the futur, but the Warscroll Builder has just been updated and the Hag is still present. At her old point cost. Finger crossed for this to stay like that.