Newtype_Zero

Question on the Kruleboyz Allegiance Ability - is actually usable in Orruk Warclans? This article says it is https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/08/discover-how-command-abilities-are-the-key-to-success-with-the-orruk-warclans-in-the-new-edition/ but I'm understanding the new Allegiance Ability rules correctly, the army needs to be completely comprised of Kruleboyz to get the ability.

So I'm playing around with what I think might be my first OWC list for 3rd based on the points leaks, what do we think? (I haven't figured out artefacts and all that yet). Leaders Megaboss on Makkrusha (General) Orruk Warchanter Orruk Weirdnob Shaman Swampcalla Shaman with Pot-Grot Battleline Ardboys (10) - reinforce 1 Ardboys (10) - reinforce 1 Gore-gruntas (6) - reinforce 1 Gutrippaz (10) Other Man-skewer Boltboyz (6) - reinforce 1 Total Points: 1995/2000 Wounds: 135 Reinforcement: 4/4

Gutrippaz are Battleline period, whether in Kruleboyz or BW.

So I've decided to give Kragnos a shot and have a very stupid list idea in mind for him, what do we think? Allegiance: Ironjawz- Warclan: IronsunzOrruk Weirdnob Shaman (120)- General- Artefact: Shamanistic Skullcape- General's Trait: Master of the Weird - Lore of the Weird: Brain-Busta Orruk Warchanter (110)- Warbeat: Get 'Em BeatKragnos (760) 6 x Orruk Gore-gruntas (320)6 x Orruk Gore-gruntas (320)3 x Orruk Gore-gruntas (160)Ironfist (160) Extra Command Point (50)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 105

I honestly think IJ is solid as-is, especially since they can mix in Bonesplittaz and now Kruleboyz. The ONLY real model I see IJs really needing is a Megaboss on Goregunta and some tweaks to Brutes.

I guess it will depend on the size of the range? I kind of hope the get rolled into an updated Orruk Warclans book so we have a good range of choices for them, the removal of Greenskinz took away what I felt was good middle ground between Ironjawz and Bonesplittaz, Kruleboyz could fill that gap. I'm find if they get their own book though.

No one else has done it yet, so here we go! Kruleboyz are launching in 3rd in the Dominion boxset and look great! Stab-grot also looks to be the best model in the range!

So we can all agree with the "new" rules just being reprints of WD rules, the nerf to the Loonshrine and Kragnos' rules and points, BR: Kragos is DOA for Gloomspite and pretty much all of Destruction, right?

I just want ANYTHING half way decent at least. Destruction has gotten absolutely nothing out of BR so far. Sure, sure, we get Kragnos, Mr. Mortal Wound Shooting will make me worthless, but that's it? One cool model? How many new things did Chaos, Death or Order get over 3, soon to be 4, books?

The first is a Greenstealer Hybrid. FTFY

Prior to GHB 2019, Greenskinz still had official rules and could be taken using Grand Alliance Destruction in Matched Play. When Orruk Warclans first dropped, Orruk fans noticed a little blurb in the Allegiance Abilities for "Armies of the WAAAGH!" that said.... ...and all of the units in a Big WAAAGH! must be Orruks. That's it. Any Orruk could be taken by a Big WAAAGH! for Matched Play, this included Greenskinz, which still had rules at the time. Unfortunately, Greenskinz were officially squatted and moved to Legends in GHB 2019 and can no longer be taken in Matched Play. That said, if you're playing any other game type in AoS, break out those Boys and go nuts!

Grimscuttle Tribes called out specifically during Warhammer Fest today for BR: Kragnos. Hopefully some buffs to make our boys better!

Ironjawz are also stupid easy to build up - 2 SCBs, a Mawkrusha and a Weirdnob Shaman puts you at about 1600 points, higher if you take a Battalion.

I'll try to answer these as best I can, keep in mind, this is more my experience and opinion than anything else: 1) Are you running full blobs of Stabbas or just 20/40 grot units? Also, Stabbas or Spears? If you're running Stabbas, you want to have your nets in the 2nd or 3rd line to maximize the amount of attacks you get per grot since the nets have a 2" range. 2) Rockguts in a group of 6 and Boingrot Bounderz in groups of 10; Boingrots are a glass but if you position them right, they can do some heavy damage on a charge with no buffs. Rockguts are just stupidly tough to kill and I love to them for rear line support in a mixed grot list. The Fungoid Cave is also an amazing unit. 3) I don't use Fanatics myself, so can't comment on this one.

The Scuttletide is must include for any Gitz list IMO. I'm also a fan of Primatic Palisade, it's a LoS blocker that most of your models in a Squig list can just fly over and has a wide base, so with a lucky terrain setup you can make it absolutely devastating with the Scuttletide. Cogs are expensive but, IMO, never a bad choice.

Yes, there are two different models for Gloomspite Gitz that use the Webspinner Shaman: The Webspinner Shaman, which is just the Webspinner Shaman on his own base. The Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider, which is the Webspinner Shaman on the A-rok. You can find the base size for the Webspinner Shaman here: https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/age_of_sigmar_base_sizes_en.pdf (spoilers: it's 25mm) Either way, enjoy one of the best models in the GSG range!

Are you trying to make this a one drop list? I could be wrong, but I believe you can only have up to 3 squads of Hoppers or Boingrots, not up to 3 of each with the Moon-jumper Stampede. If you're not looking at making it a one drop, carry on. I do think you'd do well trying to include a Mangler Boss though.

Apparently it's happening my Spider-bros!

Looks like Gloomspite are getting a new Battleforce this holiday season - loaded with Squigs and Trolls!

The Night Goblin Shaman (now called a Madcap Shaman), is definitely usable in a Gloomspite Gitz army. The Black Orcs, as long as they look mostly similar to the current Ardboyz (don't know what the 4E ones looked like) should be usable within Orruk Warclans. Unfortunately, everything else you listed has been relegated to Legends. They still have AoS rules and base sizes and you can use them in a free play games as Grand Alliance Destruction. They won't be as strong as armies with a book, but they could definitely be used as an intro to AoS. Just be sure your opponent(s) would be fine with playing against a Legends army.

What's included in the army you got? A few models got brought over into AoS (Black Orcs are now Ardboys in Ironjawz and Savage Orcs, as well as a majority of their leaders, were also brought in as Bonesplittas). If it's just a bunch of general Greenskinz and old Orc Warbosses, they have been regulated to Legends, sadly.

Exactly! Basically, without the data behind this graphic, it's essentially worthless and just made to show meaningless and potentially misleading data that will cause people who only care about winning to flock to the top three armies in it and the people that play the armies that don't even appear on this list to freak out. I've already seen one friend who plays Sylvanith freaking out about them not appearing in the graphic.

Keep in mind that this list is only comprised from tournaments which were 2-day, 5 games and 2,000 points. Not sure if that JoM list was in a tournament that met those qualifications. The other thing it doesn't factor in is how played those armies are. If Gloomspite Gitz only had 1 total entry that met this list's qualifications, their showing isn't quite as bad as it looks here. While if KO had 36 entries that qualified, their showing isn't as good as it appears here. I think knowing the full numbers that went into this graphic would be helpful to get a better feel for the meta and what these standings actually represent.

So what's the overall thoughts on Jaws of Mork so far? I'm playing around with trying out a list for it but I'm sure what I should aim for drops-wise and artefact-wise. Here's the current list I'm thinking of, but I'm kind of concerned that the Snufflers are going to be useless after turn 1 or 2 though and that maybe I should put in a Webspinner Shaman instead for a 3rd caster, Sneaky Distraction and help getting out the Scuttletide while keeping the list at a 4 drop?

Really the Loonshrine should have it's rules updated to allow GSG to regen a fully destroyed Battleline unit at half strength rather than just Stabbas and Shootas. Just my opinion, of course.