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People not knowing how a regular NDA looks like, being new and trying to get into the scene, sign this without knowing what they are doing while others might sign it to get an advantage as the influence scene is about minutes on who has things up first, and someone who only cares about money and fame is willing to advertise a product no matter their personal opinion on it now going toxic against the whistle-blower is a no-go, but as often, people rather kill the messenger than accepting the message

Not bein in Twitter nor do I ever heard of those, but just to some it up if I got everything right - Someone leaked an NDA from GW with some unusual terms that should make people worry (like the 3 years period) - than someone came up with a proof that it was fake - the original person now send data to confirm it is real - those that proofed it as fake than released the personal data of the whistle-blower - parts of the community went after the whistle-blower? - the twitter account from the person who leaked the personal data was removed - the NDA is confirmed to be real and to be around for a while now so content creators/reviewers working with GW under that NDA, have to follow the rules for 3 years, which is currently the edition cycle of the main games, after receiving the product for review. Making them more like an external PR department rather than an independent reviewer

At least for 40k OPR already added too much as there are not only all 40k factions but some more from other games as well. Also copying the problems with the 40k factions, if the wrong armies play against each other the game is as one sided as in 40k were using only the armies from other games turns out better AoS was the better game so less problems with OPR here but gokng for a 1:1 compatibility of every single minor faction out there is not the best idea in the long run. For me, I am going to use my Stormcast in Kings of War, very different game but I like it more for mass battle

so basically AoS 2nd was what once Warhammer 6th was, except instead of Youtube we had the Black Gobbo, and Mortheim instead of Warcry (and HeroQuest instead of Underworlds) Free stuff/rules from GW, lots of hobby articles/conversions, army started smaller and the overall entry level was lower Good small skirmish games etc. Everything was there, and than GW changed it to rise the amount of models needed, and replaced all the free stuff with payed content while also reducing support (and they also removed their Inks from the paint line which was a big step back)

A simple reason why things are heated with some minor changes from GW regarding the interaction with the community: Some of us have already seen those things in the past and it looks like that GW did not learned from the mistakes, or just never understood what those mistakes were. But the changes from AoS 2 to AoS 3 with the new business model taking away good stuff that was there and forcing people into things that they don't want without even getting a proper replacement (for AoS, taking away e-books and replacing them with rules only support if you buy the physical book) feels very much like what happend from WHFB 6th to WHFB 7th/8th It looks like that GW thought the AoS Community has reached is maximum and won't grow any larger (as new players just replace those that drop out) so they want the highest possible short term profit. And from the current point, I would not be surprised if AoS is killed off after its 4th Edition and replaced with something new just because this has worked so well before For me they have done everything that I am not going to buy any books, and depending on how the pandemic is going on I guess I won't have a single game in 3rd anyway

Any chance the Heraldor is going to change? And as I guess not, would it be acceptable to be played as Vexillor if I put a Banner on his back?

I want e-books and a list builder Now I have to buy books I don't want and pay for the list builder I don't care what else is offered with the Subscription and how good the value might be, it does not offer what I want and the list builder is more expensive than it was before For the App itself, I cannot log in within the App

You don't need the subscription to see the digital rules for the book you own But need one for the army builder So for the digital rules to make sense you need the subscription The free stuff is doing the same as taking pictures of the book after you bought it and store them on a dedicated folder your phone

Perfect marketing so far Give stuff away for free to build a community and people heavily invest into the game Now take away the free stuff and let people pay for it, and because they already have invested so much they will pay to keep their investment "worth it" In addition, because the community is big it will trag in more new people than the number who leave because of the changes Profit For now I am not even sure if I am going to buy the new SCE book at all

Still their fault of doing it in the first place No need to make more Stormcast if they cannot handle it or try to get everything into one book It does not matter what the reason behind it is, not enough time, not enough people or a grand master plan to sell more models, but it was their decision to do it that way, and they knew that the outcome will be

Not sure what to do with my collection, as I have: 2x Celestant on Dracoth 2x Lord Relictor 1x Knight Heraldor 1x 6 Prosecutor with Javelin 1x 6 Prosecutor with Hammers 2x 5 Liberator 5 dudes with Javelin/Spear and no shields (1st Edi conversion, used them Judicators) 1x 5 Protectors 1x 5 Retributors Enough models and bits to build some more units, like another 5 Javelin-Judicators, Liberators, Vindicators, Heroes or Annihilators (with Shields) For now looks like I have too much of everything for a single list but I am not in the mood to buy a new army for now

it is one of the 3 games present on the website while all the others are sub categories from the last time they renewed the license, which was ~2017

the license runs out by 2023 and it might be not worth acquiring a new one, specially with LotR and AoS having a similar spot of fantasy skirmish games

At the moment the 3rd core game is Lord of the Rings, and this would mean TOW is replacing it yet what is really unlikely about that rumor is end of 2021 as original release date with GW needing ~3 years in advance to make new plastic models, and they won't start a core game without a plastic starter set, work on Kislev would haven started in mid/late 2018 everything else is just the "standard" that was already around last year

Community related uprisings are always "strange", a company doing what they are doing but no one cares but than they do something that is not worth mentioning and earn a shitstorm as all the rage stored is unleashed For GW, they live in general from the goodwill of the community to accept and tolerate all their mistakes and paying a premium price But if GW is doing something that might be legally fine and being just a standard process, but destroys the goodwill of some parts of the community (we accept your mistakes and you let us do our fan-film/mods/3D prints), this can get ugly as there is nothing worse than people who think they are right, for the wrong reasons (there is so much you can blame GW, no need to make things up, yet feeling personally attacked and people do strange things)

The current situation is not about what GW is doing now, but what GW has done in the past So people stop their projects because of what might happen based on past experience those new to GW cannot understand this, don't know how bad the situation was for the community back than (were forums deleted all posts with direct quotes from the rulebook in fear of GW shutting them down) point is GW has always been very strict but those new were not aware and thought they are happy about community content in addition, a lot of people out there like the background but not the prices and are just playing the games because they get the rules for cheap and models for less from illegal sources (and are pissed if those are taken down because GW took away "their" game as they don't feel to pay for it)

but this did not change in the last 15 years, the situation now is not different to the situation when TTS made their first video except that GW offered other creators a job, yet no one received a C&D nothing changes, GW is as aggressive and restrictive regarding its IP as it was over the past 15 years

one point people should not forget that in some countries (like UK) you lose the IP (or parts of it) if you are not defending it (while in the US you just need to do something with it) If GW never acts against 3D printing or fan-films, the lose the right to act against them in future even if those than break the law in this case, GW cannot copyright 40k animations without making them on their own, same way they cannot copyright models they never made, but with making them and defending their IP in those cases they make sure to have a strong position if another company ever steps in

this is how Warhammer was created back than were GW was just the European distributor of D&D, they had an idea on how to make more money by selling people an army around their RPG characters and creating a hybrid wargaming/RPG system and now GW more or less dominants that niche between wargaming and full RPG with their systems, there is no real reason to try to compete with GW here yet with GW slowly removing the RPG part from their games (by removing options and customisation) someone else might start filling the gab (or already did by looking at Stargrave/Frostgrave)

the same that is going on for 12 years now

because 40k sells more but is also more depending on momentum AoS can live without new Battledomes, but 40k not without new Codex, as the armies there depend much more on the update 3 months without 2 new books in 40k is worse for GW than killing all the new Edition hype for AoS

well, this comes 20 years too late, GW is what it is and will never change again they are protecting what is theirs and neither want your input, creativity or your help they don't want to grow the community but a constant flow of new people to compensate those that leave and keep everything at a size they can supply and control and if the community outgrown the supply, they do something to shrink it again

the big difference is that GW made books with options to add flavour to the armies to make each sidenote on the fluff playable than they removed most of it for no real reason while at the same time the balance got worse and fluff as well as pics were copy & paste from the previous book they became lazy as in "minimum afford to make maximum profit" without trying to make a good product to compare, if the new SCE book would have only Warscroll for the new Dominion models while fluff is from the old book with nothing new

happend because a) the designers playing with changes/house rules that never made it to the public and b) what was written into the rules was not what they had in mind in 30 years this came up very often, and specially was annoying in tactic articles in White Dwarf, as an example when a designer said he likes his Empire Cavalry with 2 hand weapons for +1 attack and not only did knights not have that options, the core rules explicit said that 2 hand weapons have no effect for cavalry or remember for Aos2 with the first published how to play video got rules wrong and it was easier (and cheaper) for GW to change them via FAQ than to make a new video what the designer wants, what rules the designers use and what was written down in the books for the people to read have always been 3 different things this is also were RAW vs RAI comes from, not because the text can be read in different ways but because the text is very clearly saying the opposite of what is needed for the game to work which usually happens because some leftover from previous rules are still there (copy & paste old text because it did not change) without adjusting them for new rules because the designer know how it should work do he don't need to write it down

not wanting to buy an expensive model that might change and/or not be needed any more after the new book is released