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I've confused - there are 14 hoppers in that new box? What? How is that of any use? (The picture shows 14. And the number at the bottom of the box says 22 miniatures. 6 Troggs + Dankhold + Giant Cave + 14 hoopers = 22).

Liking the conversion guides in the painting section in the battletome. Simplistic but effective.

Complaints about Longshanks not working: I might have missed this, but have people considered that it might be designed to be of use when taking as a mercenary? Allows you to walk over your own chaff screens.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warscroll-Cards-Sons-of-Behemat-EN-2020 Image 4 Warscroll box has 7 cards

Yes. Ignore me. 😁

Powergaming to defeat Longshanks: for every unit build one extra model with a very long 4 inch weapon pointing upwards or a really tall hat. Worried about line of sight? Ok - RAW, nothing on your army list says you have to use the exact same models against non SoB armies.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/SonsOfBehemat_Warscroll_Warstomper.pdf https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/SonsOfBehemat_Warscroll_KrakenEater.pdf https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/SonsOfBehemat_Warscroll_Gatebreaker.pdf https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/SonsOfBehemat_Warscroll_MancrusherGargants.pdf

Loving the all the "this is all terrible" and "this is all great" completely split opinion in this thread.

I'll be surprised if he does get moved across. If he does, I doubt he'll be worth it: * Assuming he's going to stay at 400 (due to GHB2020) which makes him an odd fit points wise. * All the allegiance rules we've seen explicitly effect only MEGA-GARGANT or MANCRUSHER keywords. So he's not going to benefit any of that, unless they all get added to his warscroll (which I doubt) or he gets MEGA-GARGANT keyword (which I also doubt). Crucial is the counts as multiple models for objectives. However, if he does get a rewritten/boosted warscroll and he keeps GLOOMSPITE GITZ keyword (without splitting into two totally different warscolls like Aleguzzler and Mancrusher) then that could really boost the Gloomspite options - one boosted bonegrinder, one new mega garagant mercenary and a big horde. I could be totally wrong though. It'd be nice to have more options. Forgeworld models needs a total rethink and moving into the main battletomes or just be discontinued. The current method is just weird.

Max models is 9 mancrushers and one mega. For that: Min cost is 480*4 = 1920 Max cost is 180*3 + 480 + 480 + 490 = 1990

The sprues don't split up that way.

I suspect no one is going to like this strategy: Every time you buy GW models, spend the same amount in GW shares. Maybe after a year or two you'll reach a point where the shares are making enough to cover the cost of any future purchases. Sadly requires double your additional money upfront, and only works as long as you don't sell those shares to get your money back. I know is going to price out most people...... but, that's capitalism. (Disclaimer: prices can rise and fall. Your money is at risk. This is not financial advice. Yadda yadda yadda.)

What other units in AoS have -3 rend? Struggling to remember of any right now. Rend -3 is fairly crazy - wipes out the saves for anything 4+ or worse. That's a large chunk of AoS units that have no save against us.

Curious, 3 mancrushers are exactly 1 wound more than a Mega.

Saved me a job. Thanks

For anyone comparing the price of Archaon and others against the Mega Gargants: Archaon is three large sprues for £100. That's £33 a sprue. Nagash is two sprues for £75. That's £42.50 a sprue. Alarielle is two sprues for £85. That's £37.50 a sprue. Gordrakk is three sprues for £70. That's £23.33 a sprue. Mega Gargant is four large sprues for £120. That's £30 a sprue. Conclusion: Archaon, Nagash, Alarielle are all more expense than a Mega Gargant

Take with large amounts of salt, but, 2nd hand rumor.... Latest Honest Wargamer video says the Megas are 35 wounds each. (Not watched video myself to confirm as it's almost 2 hours).

The last Sylvaneth set had 3x4 ones, but most factions seem to get 4x5. Probably just because we don't have that many abilities.

Thoughts: No special dice! I suspect the mystical shield is just because it's the standard AOS set of tokens, and there is nothing else to fill the set. Not expecting a wizard. I wonder if the extra warscroll cards are all our allegiance abilities (which would be awesome). Could also just be duplicated cards just for the photo. Not expecting any extra warscroll profiles other than what was in the GHB2020 plus 3 mercenaries. Two Mancrushers in a box? GW really wants us to buy 3x2 of them. Boxes of 3 would have made more sense. Not ideal for anyone wanting 3 or 9. Anyone think we might get a Christmas battleforce box? Three Mancrushers and a Mega Gargant. 1000pts done. There's going to have to be lots of fluff in that battletome to pad it out. That Imperial Knights codex had a lot of heraldry colour schemes (from what I remember). Expecting lots of artwork and photos and expanded painting guides.

So Order, Death and Chaos get a max of one behemat (as they are named leaders!). But Destruction might be able to have all 3! Unless there is an extra restriction we don't know of. Looks like 40+40+20 stabbas + 3 gargants might be possible after all!

Troggoth Hag might have something to say about that

Interesting - the loonshrine rule replaces the existing grot ressurection one. But you only have to choose whether you're using it or not after placing the shrine. That could make for interesting choices if you have a mixed list. I suspect it's most likely going to result in taking squig herd instead of stabbas. Does this mean squig herd are better than stabbas now? - assuming neither are being buffed. I will still be including shootas for the backline.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/11/jaws-of-mork-a-squigalanche/ That seems reasonable. Guess it'll depend on cost

Taking this direct from the GW website. I'd like this to be true, but I don't think it fits. It'd be a very weird update. Arms are now stretching upwards, the asthetics will be tricky to match exactly (how old is the kit? 2006. GW doesn't make them like that anymore), you'd have to replace the entire torso which is roughly 50% of the model, and I'm not sure the gut works. I still want it to be true though as I think they're going to show their age when placed next to the new big boys.

Is there a faction which hasn't been suggested?