Dez Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hi all! You can usually find me in the Destruction forums, chatting it up about Ironjawz. I have a tournament coming up next Saturday...and there is no way I'll have them finished and painted in time. To me, having a fully painted army is more important so I'm switching gears to Skaven my true love in Warhammer. I have 2500 points in 8th edition equivalent painted up. Now my quandary is that I'm stupid and decided I'm going to rebase them all beforehand. This won't be too bad...but in doing so I want to update some of the paint scheme. This means I can probably get a few extra models done here and there, in particular I'm going to have to paint Tretch and a couple of weapons teams. Luckily I've always had a thing for Stormvermin, so I have almost 40 ready to go. I've also got some Slaves who were recently raised up to clanrat status, so I have 84 painted up which I need to add a couple standards and a musician to. I'm going with a heavy Verminus slant with this list. Here is what I have so far: LeadersTretch Craventail (100)- GeneralSkaven Warlord (100)- Warpforged Blade- Artefact: Crown of ConquestArch Warlock (140)- Artefact: Crown of ConquestScreaming Bell (260)Skaven Assassin (100)- Weeping BladesUnitsClanrats x 40 (240)- Rusty BladeClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeStormvermin x 30 (420)- Halberd & ShieldWarpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Gutter Runners x 5 (60)BehemothsWar MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 1980/2000 My thoughts are that I won't have much trouble outnumbering on objectives. I have enough Mortal Wound output to put the hurt on Heroes. Gutter Runners and Assassin can be put in any place I need to apply pressure/put in a presence. In Places of Power, I have pretty resilient heroes in the Screaming Bell and Arch Warlock. Here's what else I have painted I could add in: Warlord on Brood Horror Doomwheel Another WLC Hellpit Abomination 6 Ogres....these I'd love to add in, they are fully converted and painted really nicely 2 Packmaster A bunch of Giant rats I have no Stormfiends. I do have a bunch of stuff I could speed build and paint but would rather work with what I have. For instance, I have: Thanquol and Boneripper Forge World Verminlord Ratling Gun 3 Poison Wind Mortar 2 more Warpfire ...basically a huge legal box full of Skaven goodies. Thanks for your thoughts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 No happy stormfriends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Malakithe said: No happy stormfriends? No....traded them for Ironjawz I do have conversion ideas but i'm short on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hmm...my verminus lists all have a unit of stormfiends. To tunnel up and unleash rattling cannons on whatever. Your list is similar to mine. But then again all verminus lists are. I made a different list with a focus more on utility and options rather then bodies. Verminlord Warpseer (260) Arch Warlock (140) UNITS Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Stormvermin x 20 (280) - Halberd & Shield Warplock Jezzails x 6 (280) Stormfiends x 3 (300) - Ratling Cannons/Grinderfist Stormfiends x 3 (300) - Ratling Cannons/Grinderfist MONSTERS Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200) General The Warlord stays near the Stormvermin at all times for lots of attacks. 2 units of happy stormfriends can pop up anywhere and blast whoever. Jezzails are Jezzails. The Warpseer has one of the best mess you up spells there is with huge range. Now some people cry out for more clanrats but they are there to die. Whether it's defending a spot or soaking up fire or stopping a chaege. The point is for your opponent to waste stuff on then. Does a skaven warlord care about his endless minions? No as long as they do their job...which is distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 So take my opinions with caution as I am a newly converted 30k player with no actual sigma games under my belt..... I think the list looks nice and rounded. As you say, plenty of heroes, some large units to benefit from the verminus pack and then some mortal wound hurt. If it where me though, I'd maybe ditch the bell for the second wlc. Curently your mortal wounds output is largely the weapon teams the need to get in 8" So I feel the second wlc would offer more than the bell can, it seems a little out of place. You could then use the left over points for an extra unit of rats or add to an existing one Just ideas based on my limited AOS knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 It totally makes sense, and something I'm strongly considering. The funny thing about the Bell right now is I mainly have it in as a centerpiece for my painting score haha. It also will be really beneficial for Places of Power. I keep going back and forth on it and the WLC for sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_fury1872 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 That bigger unit of clanrats should probably have spears. There is a post on the chaos forum showing spears perform better in bigger units because you can get more attacks in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimnaud Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I agree with @Malakithe. Drop the largest clanrat unit down to ten. They're there to die valiantly for your cause. Drop the bell as well. Use the leftover points for Rat Ogres I love Rat Ogres. They're the reason I picked up Skaven in the first place. Make sure to include a Packmaster to herd them into the fray, then sit back and watch the body parts fly. The 440 points from dropping 30 clanrats and the bell will buy you four RO's and a Packmaster with 140 points left over. That could get you another two RO's, or another arch warlock to make up for the loss of a wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Or a normal warlock since in matched play they can't cast the same spell twice. One has a single unit and the other is aoe so both effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 I'm mulling it over and having second thoughts on the hordes of Clan Rats. I'm going to review all the scenarios again for sure. I'm trying to bring all the paintjobs up a level, but I'm not sure I'm going to make it through 60 Clan Rats and 40 Stormvermin alone adding 2-3 layers of highlights. I think it is time to call in the Ogres...but perhaps keep The Bell. At least I'll get a good painting score. All my Clan Rats are HW/S, I wish I had all the spears painted (I've read that great thread, btw). Send more thoughts! I've got a bit of time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 5 hours ago, Dez said: I'm mulling it over and having second thoughts on the hordes of Clan Rats. I'm going to review all the scenarios again for sure. I'm trying to bring all the paintjobs up a level, but I'm not sure I'm going to make it through 60 Clan Rats and 40 Stormvermin alone adding 2-3 layers of highlights. I think it is time to call in the Ogres...but perhaps keep The Bell. At least I'll get a good painting score. All my Clan Rats are HW/S, I wish I had all the spears painted (I've read that great thread, btw). Send more thoughts! I've got a bit of time yet. I'm very happy with going horde on the clan rats. Might also be because that's what made me choose Skaven though. But losing the bell for Rat Ogres and scaling down the warlock getting two regular warlocks instead, sounds good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 14, 2016 Author Share Posted October 14, 2016 Ok so I played a practice game, and I'm thinking of retooling a bit: LeadersSkaven Warlord (100)- Shield & Warpforged Blade- Artefact: Crown of ConquestTretch Craventail (100)- GeneralArch Warlock (140)- Artefact: Crown of ConquestSkaven Assassin (100)- Weeping BladesSayl The Faithless (160)UnitsClanrats x 30 (180)- Rusty BladeClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeStormvermin x 30 (420)- Halberd & ShieldPoisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Gutter Runners x 5 (60)BehemothsWar MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)Warp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 2000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 16, 2016 Author Share Posted October 16, 2016 The list worked nicely, Stormvermin being MVP. I'll probably tweak this by changing out the PWM for Ratling guns, it was nice when they hit but they only worked about once per game. The Gutter Runners and Assassin were ok. I'd say (surprisingly) that the unit of 30 Clan Rats were another great unit. I was really able to pressure/defend objectives with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 What was your list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 LeadersSkaven Warlord (100)- Shield & Warpforged Blade- Artefact: Crown of ConquestTretch Craventail (100)- GeneralArch Warlock (140)- Artefact: Crown of ConquestSkaven Assassin (100)- Weeping BladesSayl The Faithless (160)UnitsClanrats x 30 (180)- Rusty BladeClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeStormvermin x 30 (420)- Halberd & ShieldPoisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Gutter Runners x 5 (60)BehemothsWar MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)Warp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 2000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I was never a fan of PWM either. They sound cool but even they sheet stats look bad. I tend to prefer Ratling Guns for sheer weight of fire for the cheap points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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