Reapers of veangers and unfettered fury

[Yondaime]

Hi guys

 

The unfettered command abiliuty states:

"You can use this command ability at the start of the combat phase. If you do so, pick a friendly model with this command ability. Until the end of that combat phase friendly Khorne Daemon units wholly within 16" of that model are eligible to fight in that combat phase if they are within 6" of an enemy unit instead of 3", and can move an extra 3" when they pile in

 

And the reapers of vengeance command ability states:

You can use this command ability at the start of the combat phase. If you do so, pick 1 friendly REAPERS OF VENGEANCE DAEMON unit wholly within 8" of a friendly DAEMON model with this command ability. After that unit has fought in the combat phase for the first time, if it is within 3" of an enemy unit it can immediately make a pile-in move and then attack with all of the melee weapons it is armed with for a second time." 

 

Now does this mean that i can fight at 6" when i pile in with reapers ability?

[EMMachine]

You mean if you can use the "reapers of vengeance command ability" if the daemon unit is within 6"?

I would say no, because that command ability doesn't use the standard methode if the unit is an eligible to fight, and instead says that the unit has to be within 3". But you would get the +3" for the pile in because it is a pile in move that is made in that moment.

Important in that situation is also that the unit that used "unfettered command" can't be the target for the "reapers of vengeance command ability" because he is most likely already the target of the "unfettered command" while every other unit in range does only profit the rule.

[Ghoooouls]

Yes, as the 'bubble' from the unfettered doesn't 'target' units, the command is issued by the unfettered, and received by the unfettered. This means the other unit can receive the reapers command, so long as it is a different model issuing it (the unfettered can't issue or receive another one).

The unfettered cannot receive the reapers command as well, as he already received his own.

So an example is two blood thirsters, the unfettered issues and relieves his command, the other thirster can issue and receive the reapers command and receive the benefits of both.

However, the 'pile in 6' doesn't change the reapers command, so he will only be able to pile in and attack for a second time if, after the first pile in and attack he does in that combat phase, he is within 3 of an enemy unit.

So if he attacks the first time, he can pile in 6 instead of 3, and if the unit is still alive or he is within 3 of another enemy unit, he could pile in 6 again and attack again, however it doesn't change the reapers command restriction of needing to be within 3 of an enemy unit after attacking the first time.

This means if he attacks the first time and wipes that unit, and is no longer within 3 of any enemy units, he cannot make another pile in or attack.

[Yondaime]

3 minutes ago, EMMachine said:

You mean if you can use the "reapers of vengeance command ability" if the daemon unit is within 6"?

I would say no, because that command ability doesn't use the standard methode if the unit is an eligible to fight, and instead says that the unit has to be within 3". But you would get the +3" for the pile in because it is a pile in move that is made in that moment.

Important in that situation is also that the unit that used "unfettered command" can't be the target for the "reapers of vengeance command ability" because he is most likely already the target of the "unfettered command" while every other unit in range does only profit the rule.

since the unfettered ability is a bubble and it dosnt target the unit you can use a command ability 

[EMMachine]

3 minutes ago, Yondaime said:

since the unfettered ability is a bubble and it dosnt target the unit you can use a command ability 

Wasn't their a case that "choose a unit with this command ability" is basicly an equivalent to be the "target of the ability"?

[Yondaime]

3 hours ago, EMMachine said:

Wasn't their a case that "choose a unit with this command ability" is basicly an equivalent to be the "target of the ability"?

Yes, and the choosed unit its the unfettered

[EMMachine]

20 hours ago, Yondaime said:

Yes, and the choosed unit its the unfettered

Maybe I phrased the last sentence of my first post wrong. I acutally meant that the models that had ordered unfettered command can't receive the reapers of vengeance command ability, because he is the target of the command, so he and other units can use the bubble of unfettered command. The other units that are part of the bubble can still receive it.

Edited October 29, 2021 by EMMachine