Sathrut

My first thought on seeing those prices! They received praise for reasonable prices on many of the kits or, in some instances, being cheaper than their initial release (see Tomb Guard). TOW released five months ago, and already *everything* is getting a price hike, for some reason much higher than everything else (bar HH?). I'm hoping the Dwarfs (and their MTO) come before 10th June, but at this point I'm starting to think we won't see them until after that date.

Yeah, there's nothing here that makes this mini 'out of place' in TOW/WHFB. It did make me chuckle that it's not 'AoS' enough, too much of the 'Dispossessed' aesthetic, so basically TOW/WHFB Dwarfs. Personally I love the miniature, would love to add it to my Dwarf army but a shame it's a limited edition.

Fantastic incarnation of the White Dwarf! Shame it's only available for a limited time, otherwise I would pick one up to use in TOW/WHFB.

That image was taken from someone's YouTube video. It was their idea of what a potential roadmap could look like, going by the shields on the main TOW artwork logo. Internet being internet, someone took that photo out of context and posted it as a 'rumour'. Having said that, I doubt we'll be getting a roadmap anytime soon, as their other games haven't received one this year either. Dwarfs I imagine will be next month, and I assume HE or WoC at least a month after AoS 4th is released, so August/September?

Yeah, I don't doubt they're coming this month or next. I don't see how they can keep them available for both, when they need to be repackaged for TOW. Ironbreakers/Drakes and Hammerer/Longbeards will likely be 20 to a box, as Tomb Guard and Foot Knights are. Cheaper too.

So after this small third O&G release, where does that leave Dwarfs? I've seen people say they'll be removed from CoS once CoS receive their battletome for 4th, so Dwarfs won't be released for 3-5 months?

They look fantastic, a clear refinement of the current ones. Already I can see these selling like hotcakes for use in AoS and TOW.

I've seen a number of BoC players frustrated with the number of people saying: "Play TOW/you get a free battletome and continued support for a year stop complaining/everyone knew this was coming, why are you surprised?", and frankly, who can blame them? Many of them started BoC for AoS. They're not interested in TOW. They don't want to play another system. They don't want to proxy their army. When your army received a battletome and a new miniature -just over a year ago - would you really take that as 'the writing on the wall'?

Yeah, it's absolutely odd. Dryads aren't listed either, but the Branchwraith is going. I can only assume they'll be replaced with new kits soon? But Dwarfs are the next TOW release, and we've seen they really don't want the two systems having any overlap, so...huh.

I've been wanting these three for a very long time. Fantastic sculpts that still hold up to this day, and that last one is perhaps *the* most iconic non-named Dwarf miniature. And this one is one I really hope comes back. I've wanted one ever since I first saw it in the original 6th Edition Army book over...what, 19, 20 years ago? Will be childhood dream come true if they bring him back.

Yes, hopefully this means we'll see the Legacy factions return in a couple of years, and the start of kits being updated (looking at you, TK skeleton warriors). I'd like it if they brought back Border Patrol/Warbands for low level games, published books like the General's Compendium and Warhammer Skirmish, and any of the things that had been in the works for WFB but got canned by the management at the time, like the third Battle For Blackfire Pass supplement.

I wonder when we'll be seeing the rest of the TK/Brets? I'm definitely looking forward to picking up all the Goblin heroes (both Night and Common), and the Nasty Skulkers, though I'm prepared for nearly everything to sell out once it's gone up, because of how popular O&G are. Still waiting on the metal TK characters to come back in stock! It's also wild that we still have more O&G to come. I'm curious how GW are going to handle the factions once everything is released, given how extensive and complete the majority will be. I hope we start to see updated kits (either for old plastics, or metal into plastic), within the next five years, not just resin minis.

And Bone Giant, Trebuchet, Men-at-Arms, Peasant Bowmen and Elise Duchaard, so one more wave to come, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Both TKs and Liche Priests for me. Those Tomb Kings have aged incredibly well. Maybe the damsels too, always thought they were lovely sculpts. Thankfully it's a MTO, so no worries about selling out.

Horus Heresy is still done by the Specialist Game team, who also work on all the other Specialist Games: TOW, Middle-earth, Legion Imperialis, Necromunda and Bloodbowl. Right now the majority of TK and Bretonnia are out of stock, and we know both have more kits to be released (Foot Knights, Green Knight, mounted prophetess, Casket of Souls, Bone Giant, Carrion). It's safe to assume the remaining factions will receive a similar amount of attention that TK/Brets did. Can they get all nine out this year, with their current stock/production issues? I think a roadmap will put that question to rest.

Kislev being the first release for TOW in 2025, with a new plastic range would be absolutely fantastic. Surely they'll have to give Kislev more than 1-2 plastic kits, bunch of resin characters and 6th Ed metals?

Exactly. TK and Bretonnia are 'new': They have new rules, units, lore and characters. As much as people like to call it 9th Edition, as far as GW are concerned, TOW is a new game, with new armies. The article today showed that, for all intents and purposes, all these kits are 'new', despite being old. I'll be impressed if they manage it, especially with their production issues. I hope they succeed, because the foundations of the game will be in place, which means they can really start to expand and explore this new period, potentially starting with Kislev next year!

Yeah, I can see them wanting to get all nine factions out in 2024, but we still don't know when the rest of the TK/Bret ranges will be available to buy (soon I assume, going by the article today). Assuming the remaining seven receive a similar number of new/updated kits in addition to returning ones, as TK/Bret did...that'd be unprecendented, wouldn't it? Nine full armies released in a single year, for a side game? Hopefully they'll tell us more on Saturday. Fingers crossed for a roadmap.

Valrak has said in a video before that he thinks AoS has some of the best miniatures and ranges that GW puts out. He's aware people have formed this idea he 'hates' AoS. Personally I think his accent and how he talks, combined with his focus on 40K (primarily Space Marines), make it seem like he dislikes everything else. From the videos I've watched, he's clearly passionate about 40K, and while he may not be interested in other systems in the same way, any rumours he brings are welcome.

Same here. I never bothered with the Finecast one, but at £9 in metal? Absolutely. Not surprised that one sold out, priced like the metal blisters during 6th/7th ed. I really wanted both sets of Ushabti but at £105 it's far too expensive. Honestly, I thought the price of that Liche Priest was an error at first it's that cheap.

Oh, I'm not basing anything off these random pictures! I'd seen someone else comment on the lack of Night Goblins in that image, wondering if that meant they're staying in AoS, but someone else replied saying they thought the same, but it's been confirmed that Night Goblins are in. EDIT: I asked if the minis themselves were shown. They said rules and artwork for Night Goblins in Ravening Hordes, but no idea if there is anything in the colour section of the main rulebook. Which makes sense because the only legacy rules GW have announced are for the non-core factions.

If Night Goblins, Savage Orcs, Spider Riders and Arachnarok are not in TOW, but staying in AoS, where and when will their legacy rules appear?

Yeah, it does highlight the issue of having Good/Evil alignments, because in the context of fantasy fiction, Good factions have are generally perceived as protecting the innocent, caring for their people, are noble, benevolant, defeating tyranny etc etc, and Evil factions are murderous, treacherous, malevolant, egostical, brutal, tyrannical, etc etc. Obviously it's more nuanaced than that, with many grey areas for both, but both articles (today and yesterday) they seem intent on reframing Tomb Kings as nothing but evil. You have a Good nation (Bretonnia) invading, plundering and desecrating the lands of another nation (Nehekhara), but it's fine because that nation is 'Evil'. I wonder what they have changed about Wood Elves, to justify their position as a Good faction, considering they were, like Tomb Kings, a true neutral faction. I'm sure Bretonnians would be thrilled to consider the Wood Elves as 'good', given the history between the two.

Yep. It furthers my concern Tomb Kings are going to be portrayed as nothing but "EVIL! THIS FACTION IS SO EVIL! LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO TO THE POOR BRETONNIANS, THE GOOD GUYS!", instead of nuance and shades of grey. It's as @Noserenda said, the Liche Priests are somewhat responsible, in the sense Nagash was among their ranks for a while, and mummies being different to skeletons, but Nagash is the one who returned all Nehkarans to unlife. The latest article today makes them sound less like Liche Priests and more like necromancers: "The Liche Priests can’t be seen to be attempting to seize power by force. They are insidious, and do strange and dark things." "Necromancers can't been seen to be attempting to seize power by force. They are insidious, and do strange and dark things."

Their status as a true neutral faction (much like Wood Elves and Ogre Kingdoms) gave them a level of nuance that I fear will be lost if they're lumped with the other bad guy factions. Oh, I won't let this impact my hobby/enjoyment. If I end up not liking the lore for TK in TOW, I'll take what I like and ignore the rest. If I do like the new lore, well, win-win!