Boingrot Bouncer

Since 25 mm is really great in 3.0 due to coherency, do you think the hobgrots are on these? They seem to be on smaller bases then the rest but don't know which size the bigger kruelboyz are on.

I guess you could use it on some turns, but unless you run 2 or more of the svampcallas I would almost use their spell instead. Boardwide +1 and -1 on charge rolls is pretty good.

The two new wizards are given some time today: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/08/whos-the-stronger-wizard-in-dominion-sigmars-loreseeker-and-the-kruleboyzs-bog-shaman-face-off/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebok&utm_campaign=DailyAoS080621&utm_term=DailyAoS080621&fbclid=IwAR3-QabUaOhqeqHNsuAOiNcjcviMJKn466NRrJFfzbR5SV0UF72NYLYYXW4 The Swampcallas spell was both cool and thematic.

If it would have been the Gitz yes, LRL not so much 😃

Yeah, there is a huge difference in powerful shooting from 18" where the opponent have a chance to counter charge you (expecially with the double turn), and powerful shooting from 24+" where few units can get the ranged unit into combat in one round or even with a double turn. So the ideal shooting for me would be low damage from long distance and powerful shooting where you put your ranged unit in a possibly dangerous situation. However, it is not only shooting that is the problem but also other MW damage from magic etc. that hits very uneven where some armies have could protection and other have extremly little.

There could be a Generals Handbook in the summer so there will probably be point changes then. Rumor is that there will be a general increase but no official news about it.

With just the damage profile to look at I guess you don't take him for the damage output but for some buffing he can give to other units. Hopefully heroes will play a bigger role in 3.0 cause the model is kick-ass

Yes, I also hope we will se more freedom in list building with core batallions. It will also mean that a lot of different parts of the army will be used in play, and not only one kind of faction (a la Petrifex before the nerf).

Since they mentioned general battalions in the "8 great new stufff"-videos it feels like that is something that will become more important, and thus that faction batallions will be gone in matched play.

Considering all the teleports in a lot of armies it could be an idea to put the fanatics in the shootas so if someone try to teleport in something to kill your shootas they get a nasty suprise. I think everybody will expect you to put the fanatics in the stabbas so by doing so you might do a lot of havoc in their plans. As for a blob of 60 or 40 it could be good to have another hero to be able to give away battleshock immunity and buff either the boingrots or the stabbas, so a Loonboss an Great Cave Squig could be good. The advantage with boingrots is that they can give MW, so I would probably go with them instead of Troggoth. You will also probably have more bodies on the objectives with boingrots.

I understood you, but wanted to emphasise your point 😃

I would prefer if they mirror the Gnashtooth, but be a smaller one. Perhaps they could do a dual kit like they did with boingrots and squig hoppers where one have more armor but less movement and the other have less armor and higher mobility.

The only part of the release I don't like are the Hobgrots. I guess with a different paint scheme they could get better for me, but the armour don't click with me and that will be hard to change with paints. The rest of the line is top notch, but if I could wish for something it would be that they could use Gloomspite Troggoths in their army (and not only as allies).

The reason I think the bodyguard could be a full unit is that their photo with white background showed three. On the photos I have seen they normally show 1 of the warrior or half/full unit when they have white background. So unless they are 6 in a unit it seems likely that they are three.

Who say that LRL is not chaos dwarfs in disguise?

Yes, in a way it is unfair to do so, but when the buffs you get from the hero pretty much amount to nothing (+1 bravery but risk of MW to your own unit) what use is that hero but to do damage. But as you also show very nicely in your comparison with Archaon he is pretty bad as a hero. Right now the only hope for Kragnos is something in the battletome or the coming destruction battletome, but the people peordering him must have shrunked a lot when the points was leaked.

Yes, that needs to be wholly within 12, but not within 6 since then his shout will do 1D3 MW which will negate the +1 bravery.

Yes, some kind of wizard-type with a stick and what looks a bit like a snake in it's left hand.

The problem with that is that they would have had the chance to do that in BR: Morathi and BR: Teclis, so why didn't they do it then?

Yeah, that is whats make it feel so strange. If their plan was to make gods rare in gameplay I could see the idea about the points, but now we have two types of gods. Teclis and Morathi is a good start for a competitive list, while Nagash, Allarielle (as it seems) and Kragnos is really hard to motivate in a list.

As a destruction player I can't see me taking Kragnos in any of my two Gitz-armies at that point cost, if he would have been 500 I could have done it just for a fun addition. However, since I as Gitz-player have to pay the "Being a crazy army"-tax when it comes to having a chance to win (and I do want to feel lika I have a chance to win at least), I can't see him in a list tat I would take. But I do save 125 Euro...

Her points have been confirmed by an ittalian leak.

Since Kragnos has been leaked to be 760, Kroak 430, and Allarielle 740 they seem to have given the gods a quite high point cost, the problem being that Teclis and Morathi is at 660 and 600 which seem low comapred to Nagash, Kragnos and perhaps Allarielle (I haven't seen her war scroll). So while Morathi and Teclis (whos points could have been increased in the BR-books) is something you can build a really good list around, it feels like Kragnos and the new Nagash will almost never be seen in list unless you only play for a cool game with gods.

It feels like Kragnos is dead on arrival, 760 points will give me 35 Boingrots, a command point and 10 points to spend on something else. And I also have to spend MSP 125 euro to buy it to replace something in my Squig or Troll-army. Sure, if I fight a monster he would be good, but most of times you don't fight monster...and 35 Boingrots (or whatever I take instead) will give a lot more board controll and chance to control objectives.