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I totally Agree. The Warscrolls or the Rules didnt suck, the Points sucks. Everything by the Mortals and some Daemons too is to expensice. Drop the Points by 10 to 25% and u get B.Seekers für 180, Archer for 120 (with a Massbonus of 330 for 33) Twinsouls for 140 or Myridian for 120. So U can take in a Mortal based Army 2-3 Units more, so u can Play the MSU Play, generate easier enough DP to Play this game and the MissionPoint Game. It would not be a FreeWin, it would not be to easy to win, it wouln`nt a GO-CHARGE-WIN-Game. But it would be okay. AND GW would sell more Minis

If they go this down in Points the Army would be too good again. So pls not. But jes Somethings can go this cheap, and jes ist true…. we Need a Downraises in Points too nearly the hole Army... So... Where is the FAQ GW ?!

Seems really solid. Good Luck with this, it strong (as Strong as Nurgle can be )

I like both List. Just I miss YOUR Shooting in both List. Maybe switch in List 2 6 Fiends vor 10 Blissbarb Archers ?! First List look okay, jes Maybe u will switch 3 Fiends with a Hero ?!

Nice List but.... It is so CP Hungry Maybe u want to Change the Seeker again the Supreme Battalion and the Wheels with a extra CP. (u really Need a lot CP for Keeper doppel activation, for Battelshocks and so on and on...) Do u think geminis are Paying ?! Whitout Glutos or a Epitome a casting Value of 7+ I feel very uncomfortable with it.

Okay, jes Maybe. I will try him because I hope he survives a littel bit longer (1-2 Rounds) than a Exalted Chariot. And in this time i have a Unit, a Leader, on the field and in best case he makes 3 to 5(6) more DP and this is okay in a list when not much more makes DP. Because, they are Batteline, in the Battalion ! (but jes they are 20 Points to expensive for 5..... so 15-20% like almoust everythink in the new book)

This wpuld be the other Option. I first take him because he has with his 3+ Save and 5++ more Durability so i hope he Stand a Turn longer or so and can generate W3 DP more because of retreat and Charge again in the Goodseeker host. Mask and Exalted would be cool to jes. I Like the Enrapture because of the One extra shootieUnit. In my Feeling we/a Hedonit Player must produze in his First and Second turn (in his owen round i Mean) 7 to 10 DP because of Summonig. Or not? I dont see enough Standing power for all the Army without many Summoning (34 to 42 between Raound 1 and 4 ) because every Unit in our army is to overpriced.

I Played 3 Soulgrinder as the Formation with Keeper (he/she died in 1 Round) with the Arcanits I played Glutos,Keeper,Sigvald with Luzeraid Haist and 5 CW, 11Archer and a Lord of Afflicton against the DoK Snakes - The Combi Snakes+Morathi was my exitus Against Serras I Played Something like this: Allegiance: Slaanesh (6 bis 10er Drop) - Host: Lurid Haze Invaders Host (Host of Chaos) -Realm: Chamon Leaders Glutos Orscollion, Lord of Gluttony (400) - Host Option: General - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Battel Rapture The Masque (130) - General - Command Trait: Feverish Anticipation Infernal Enrapturess, Herald of Slaanesh (150) - Artefact: Oil of Exultation - Host Option: General Shardspeaker of Slaanesh (150) - Artefact: The Rod of Misrule - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Judgement of Excess Battleline 5 x Chaos Warriors (90) - Hand Weapon & Shield 5 x Hellstriders with Hellscourges (150) (Bat) 5 x Hellstriders with Claw-spears (140) (Bat) Units 5 x Blissbarb Seekers (180) (Bat) 5 x Blissbarb Seekers (180) (Bat) 5 x Sickblade Seekers (200) (Bat) Battalions Seeker Cavalcade (140) Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs The Burning Head (30) Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (60) And lost, okay he get the doppelturn from 2 to 3 AND make big Mistakes with the SkinkShooting and his Salamanders. Same List against the Legion List: Again doppeltrun against me in Turn 1 to 2 and I get no Doppelturn back so I lost BIG after his Turn 3. My Problem is not to make DP but to spend them. Next time i go with this: Allegiance: Slaanesh - Host: Godseekers Host Mortal Realm: Ghur Leaders Glutos Orscollion, Lord of Gluttony (400) - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Battle Rapture Infernal Enrapturess, Herald of Slaanesh (150) - Artefact: Cameo of the Dark Prince Chaos Lord on Karkadrak (230) - General - Command Trait: Speed-chaser - Artefact: Predator's Torc Battleline 5 x Chaos Warriors (90) - Hand Weapon & Shield 5 x Hellstriders with Claw-spears (140) 5 x Chaos Warriors (90) - Hand Weapon & Shield Units 5 x Blissbarb Seekers (180) 5 x Blissbarb Seekers (180) 5 x Slickblade Seekers (200) 5 x Slickblade Seekers (200) Battalions Seeker Cavalcade (140) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 142 Could this Work ?

soo I made 4 Games: Vs. Tzeenth Arcanits ( 1-0 Win vs. Lose) Win Vs. DOK Snakes+Morathi ( 1-1 Win vs. Lose) Lose Vs. Serraphone (Skink+2Bastilladons+Skinks) ( 1-2 Win vs. Lose) Lose Vs. Legion of Ascendet (Kairos+3xSkavenDaemons) ( 1-3 Win vs. Lose) Lose So, did anyone win without Archaon and/or with very very Luck ???? Against a T2,3,4 Army ?!?!?!

make them W3 with 3A and ist okay, or Reduce their Points to 110-120, than ist okay. Exalted Seeker are great Right but without a generell Change (No-doppelturn, or Removing Modells to Multipel-Wounds-Attacks like in 40k) they are not totally overwhelming. I compared them to Snakes from the DOK and it`s okay but they lose too, and they are to expensive to have very much of them. Blissbard Archers are 40 Points to expensive, and have no MassBonus (but this is a Thing i think GW won`t it annymore, we will see) This would be Okay if he were in the Battalion and his Commandability could give in the Battalion too every Unit from the Battalion totally in 12". But hey it is 20-30 Points to expensive. Nize nize, but i am not sure About Syllsk, u say it too but okay. I miss a Spell or Unit to hurt yourself, the Endless Spell, The Burning Head, is very great here for me.

Hi, Warriors are good, jes. A Unit of 5 can easily protect Glutos O or a other Leader AND generate DP because of being wounded by The Burning Head or other. And jes Marauder are quite Nize for Screening but less more terrifining and effectif. Nurgle Units: U will find often the Plaguepriest to make Dmg on your owen Units for DP. I try a Lord of Affliction. That Worked well too but he is very espensive so.... but pls try it. Other Thinks i don't see. Whats About a Plaguecatapult.. ?

Sounds logicel and would explain the high Point Cost. If the new AoS 3.0 in 3-4 Monat raise ALL Point Cost in AoS it will be okay. Itas okay to Play against the Tzeenth Host with 3 Flammer and 1 Exalted Flamer less, ist okay against the KO witout the Speel in the Bottle and 10 Thunderer, ist okay to Play against a Serra without the Atropath Bearer (just with kroak with pls become 460-480 Points... or so) an a Bastilladons. All okay. by the Way, I do the MathHammer. Sickblades and Blissbarb Archers vs. BloodSister/BloodStalkers. It`s nerlly even without Buffs so the Feeling is Right. These Units are good. Good to Play. So my List would propably consist out of Glutos O. Sickblades and Blissbarb Archers.

I think u Need both Blissbarb as Long as u Need Shooting for the Desperation Points. So The Archer too foot are wayyyyyy to expensive no Question. BSeeker are good jes. And best Non-HeroUnit in Book. But saddly not AutoPic-Awesome-Good. Sry. Your List is nize, but Saddly CW are not as good as in a S2D Army and Marauder too, and so i didnt really like it, No Synergie, a summonebl KoS cant buff the CW or Marauder…. it is a very sad think but it is because of the Batteltome, not the Listbuilding.

I personall like the Shields and Weapons soooooooooo much from the Painbringers. And jes the MyrmHeads are sooo bad. I dont like them. But jes my actually list for the Nodeles Excess with 8 Painb or Myrm Units is way too expensive on Points. But i build them…. Maybe we had to wait until Summer/Autumm but the Point drop will come !

Myrmidesh are Way better Looking But sry i dont think there Dmg Output is that way worser, look at charging a Bastilladon or a Turtle. Even if there is just a Chance to Cause Mortal wounds for me and the ohter on the Table that is Always a thread.

Mhmm Maybe, but better than the Painbringer are Chaosworriorer, the Archer die instantlie if anithing is Shooting an them, and the Hammer Objective Steeler is fast, but not flying and not a Hammer of Plastik. And everything from the Things u Count ist TOO EXPENSIVE on Points. to expensive. Painbringers 30 to 50 Points down = great, Archer for 160 Points... ?!?! Maybe for 120 Okay. Seekers seems okay but if u look at say DemigKnights the new seeker are 20 Points to much. Again if ONE or TWO Units in your 10 Units Army are 20 Points to high, okay, thats okay.... but in Hedonit EVERY UNIT (exkluding GO) is to expensive!!!!

Yes u are Right, there are not many Synergie but the Mechanik between Shooting, Selfhurting and Co. for Summoning is okay. Not super exciting but u Need it. Yesterday i lose against a Seraphone with Kroak, AstBearer, 2 Starpriest, 2 Priest, 30 Skinks, 10 Skinks, 5 TGuard, 2 Batsilladon, 3 Salamder (the Stars of the Game) The Game was okay, The Peformance of the Hedonits but it was very very hart to Play. For Hedonits u Need to know what u do and when and were an the Tabel. I will Play testing more but I believe it will be very Hard. Lets wait and hope of the FAQ (because every Unit of us is Minimum 20% to espensive (excluding Glutos O.)

Okay. Jes i think i am not able too (i know People who Megnetise Areas from 1mmx1mm but, jes not i : D )

Uha, thats sounds very painfull. Question: what do u think is it positbel to Magnetise the Weapon to switch Bow and Gleve ?! Ähm I dont think this could work very Well, Painbringer without Cogs and a 9" Charge. Mhmm dont Sound good to me. Very very awesome but, what is this on his belly ?!?!

Way to expensice for what they do. U can do this: Cogs; Luzid Haze = 3++ ReRoll Save (Maybe for a Unit of 10) AND u can give a Second Unit a) Chaomeon Realm so they get a +1 to Hit and with the Spell +1 to Save = The Next Unit with a 3+ AND if u want Mystik Shield (3+ and 1ReRoll) b) U can take the Shadow Realm (ulgu?!) And teleport 1 Unit Myrmiden with a Hero in the Front. I would Take Luzid Haze and 2 Units of 10 Painbirngers and 1 Unit of Twinsouls and try to get 3 Units in Front of the Enemy Line but.... still then they not good enough, sry. Mhmm… too expensive, no Batteline, Way less Dmg Output no exploding 6'ses so.... no sry. CW are okay (5 for DP and 15+ for Blocking)).

I think u Right in almothst every Point. The only Problem, we are no Top Tier. Why? In a normal competaitv game the game is in Tunr 3 over. And no we dont Survive until Turn 3. I Play Nurgle too and even with them surviving ist dificult. I like this List. What i dont like are the Blissbard Archers (i think for 160 Points they are totally ******) And i dont Know if the Bladebringer is okay for 250 Points AND a defensive Playstyle. Maybe Sigvald is better here. So Gyminis are very good. Maybe a Infernel Enraptures because of Spellcasting Heavy Armys and her Posibility to cause Wound with a Missel Attack ?! BTW: This is my next List i will try: Allegiance: Slaanesh- Host: Lurid Haze Invaders Host (Host of Chaos) Realm: Ghur or ChameonLeadersGlutos Orscollion, Lord of Gluttony (400)- General- Command Trait: Feverish Anticipation - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Dark Delusions The Masque (130)- Host Option: General Infernal Enrapturess, Herald of Slaanesh (150)- Artefact: The Rod of Misrule - Host Option: General Shardspeaker of Slaanesh (150)- Artefact: Oil of Exultation - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Judgement of ExcessBattleline5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield5 x Hellstriders with Hellscourges (150)5 x Hellstriders with Claw-spears (140)Units5 x Blissbarb Seekers (180)5 x Blissbarb Seekers (180) 5 x Sickblade Seekers (200)BattalionsSeeker Cavalcade (140)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsThe Burning Head (30)Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (60)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 125 What Did u think Realm: Ghur (Maske, Sickbladeseeker for better CC) or Chameon (more Defense 4 GO)

Okay.... I will check the FAQ and than deside. If it is possibel, who that would be a very powerfull way to Generate DP. Is still killing Syllsk and the Keeper or so in Round One = so ….not very Helpfull. Let me Say 2 Words About my game against DoK Tomorrow: He played Morathi. Medusa, HagQueen and the Speziall HagQueen and a Meluscini, 20 Blood Stalker, 15 Blood Sister, 5 Blood Sisters... Ich played Allegiance: Slaanesh (5er bis 8er Drop) - Host: Lurid Haze Invaders Host (Host of Chaos) Mortal Realm: Chamon Leaders Keeper of Secrets (340) - Sinistrous Hand - Artefact: The Rod of Misrule - Host Option: General - Spell: Born of Damnation Shardspeaker of Slaanesh (150) - Artefact: Oil of Exultation - Host Option: General - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Judgement of Excess Sigvald, Prince of Slaanesh (260) Glutos Orscollion, Lord of Gluttony (400) - General - Command Trait: Feverish Anticipation - Lore of Pain and Pleasure: Dark Delusions Lord of Afflictions (190) - Allies Battleline 20 x Chaos Marauders (160) - Axes & Shields 5 x Chaos Warriors (90) - Hand Weapon & Shield 11 x Blissbard Archer (160) Battalions Supreme Sybarites (150) Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs Balewind Vortex (40) Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (60) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 190 / 400 Wounds: 92 So what could i say i lost 14 to 20 after Round 5 (but round 4 and 5 we just calculated but it is fine) So he had some very bad dice for his Spells and Priest, i didnt realy make game mistakes, nobady hab a doppelturn but.....i didnt realy had a Chance. Some Ideas to the single Units: Keeper of Secrets (340): he/She died's as fast as bevore but the dmg Output is decrease About 50%. Just good for the Points if u can support a second Unit or u summon him. Not happy with this. Shardspeaker of Slaanesh (150) he is okay but he must be very near by the Enemy. Still 20 Points to expensive but, okay. Sigvald, Prince of Slaanesh (260): just killing 5 B-Sister, and then…. he is way too slow (6") and too Juice, Little Morathi kill him. Not sure how you use him correct. Any Idea? Without for his Points I buy Shalaxi Lord of Afflictions he dies very quick against Morathi Shoot (4 Wounds) and against 8 Blood Stalker, Maybe the Burning HEad and a Infernell Enrupter ist better Chaos Marauders still okay but less good because of the lack of explodet 6ses. Now to expensive but (everything is to expensive) Blissbard Archer for me they are too expensive. Both games i had they go for, shoot one time and then died. sry not enough for 160 Points. The litlle Range from 18" in Range let them Always be attackt in the Next round. Maybe they get better when they still cost 130 (would be okay) or 120 (okay that would be awesome) The Winner..... Chaos Warrior: For they 90 Point they make 4 DP, give GO look out Sir, Hold a Objetive and blocked the Blood Stalker 2 CC-Rounds. Always okay (okay no Hedonit Unit ) Glutos Orscollion, Lord of Gluttony So good. Very good caster. With gymini and debuffs Awesome. Hold 15 Blood Stalker 4 Rounds (with a litlle Help of the CW) in the Middel of the Field, destroyed all (with the doubel ativation of a summond Keeper) und bring BIG MorathiSnake from 14 to 2 Wounds before dying.. He is the Reason for 9 (or 10) DP over the game so he + the CW summon alone a new Keeper so....his cost of 400 Points are totally okay. Best Unit in my army. Next week…..I try some sort of Seeker Kalvake against Seras….

Sry. I understand the new DP-Mechanik that the Unit who gets wound or Mortal Wounds generate the DP. So the only Way to generate 2 DP with ONE unit in a Turn is if your hero(s) get a wound or mortal wound AND is in the Range of Syllsk. One trick here would be…. Buy 5 Heros and Syllsk in the Battalion. Cast for example The Burning Head, wound all 5 Heros+Syllsk = BOMM 12 DesperationPoints out of this Kombo…...That would work i think. But more u can`t spend more than 12 DP per Turn (so in Turn 2,3,4,5). But Jes this work, o not ?!

There are too Many Shootie Armys to life after the 1te Round so... Maybe here something they could do. Or u make a plan with enough DP vor SAVE 12 Points in Turn 1 so u can Summon a keeper near by your Units in the Front. I could imagine many Ideas and List totally without a KoS at the Beginning but Summon one in turn 2. Than u make a Chargemove with Cogs = everything fine The Mechanik and how the Batteltome Maybe could work is cool. But jes all Unitcosts seems 15-20% too expensive....I Think we will see a heavy FAQ here in 3 to 6 months.

Thats Right. I think so too. U dont have to take some. I would but ther first the Archer (to come from behind) Or Enraptures to find good Targets becouse of, Shooting to the nearest Unit from ID. They screen almost Nothing, they just are cheap Batteline and u can make DP with THE Burning Head with them. U Screem with GO + Fiends in his -1toHitRangeBubble. Know with Shardspeaker and Gimiis u can create a Bubble of -1 of attack, -2 to hit and -2 to Wound against the Fiends. That rockz. My experience with the new Batteltome is u want some Misselattack to create 7 to 10 DP in your Turn because the Player from the other Tabel Edge will denid DP in his/her turn. And man.... Hedonits really really Need the DP to Winning game. I try (for Minimum) a Keeper in turn 3, 20 Dämonetts in Turn 4 and 10 Dämonetts or something in Turn 5. Without that… mhmm very difficult.