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At least 10 of them will be free with Chadukar 😂

Doesn’t work sadly. Soon as one model dies you have to remove models down to five.

He called GW lazy not the people working there. GW could have instructed and given the designers, sculpters and rules writers time and resources to make endless spells for every army but they didn’t.

I’m sat here looking at 2 boxes of Dire Wolves wondering why didn’t I have more self control and wait till the new edition drops.

Conga lines suck but this is way over restrictive. Should just make it 11 plus models and it would have been fine but as it is why would you ever take elite units in more than 3’s or cav units in more than 5’s.

Well I knew Warhammer the old world was coming but didn’t realise it would be this fast! Any unit of 6 or more models on any base size other than a 25mm will basically be in 2 ranks and if they’ve only got a 1 inch reach only the front rank can fight. Feels like pre 8th edition fantasy.

Dire Wolves are completely buggered now as well.

If they become destruction Sylvaneth and you can place loads of swamp terrain kits I will lose all interest in starting them.

Well looks like I’ve just saved myself £100 on Kragnos. Awesome Warscroll, silly points.

To be honest I wasnt even considering Kroaks Warscroll as I’ve never played lizardmen.

When I complain about lazy rules I’m not complaining about the power level of something. I dont want my armies to have broken rules I just want effort spent on the battletome. I was gonna start Gravelords then I saw things like the Vykros dynasty having a baffling re roll spells alliegence ability which makes no sense. Then there’s things like almost every hero on foot having 3’s 3’s -1 D3 damage as their attack profile and worst of all is the Wight Kings command ability being blatantly broken. Honestly took one read through of that to realise it doesn’t work. This to me is what I mean by lazyiness. If GW want my money they need to spend more time and effort on these Battletomes.

If there’s no destruction soup army with Kragnoss leading it like they’ve hinted at in his reveal video and images I’ll be bitterly dissapointed and probably won’t bother buying either the book or Kragnoss himself.

PM please good Sir. Also did the fine chap who took the photo get anymore info?

Warscroll seems awesome. Only Criticism is no command ability but that may tie into third edition with him counting as a general.

I’m hoping the reason Destruction don’t get any battalion boxes is we get an updated destruction soup army where you take Kragnos as the general like the Belakor one.

Apologies I didn’t intend to be condescending. I guess I’m just burned out from seeing people posting about going to order GW stuff an hour after it’s gone live and being shocked it’s sold out. You never mentioned Cursed City in your post and what GW did with that is pretty poor and I do sympathise with people who thought they’d be fine ordering it at a later date only to be screwed over by them. Dominion will probably follow the same pattern of Indomitus and be gone within a few mins and then the next week they’ll have smaller versions of the box that will be a continuous product.

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I would either try and get hold of the older skeleton kit to use as normal skellies or failing that give the graveguard more ornate armour and different colours on the robes so you can tell them apart.

Set the Wolves up within 3 inches of the slain models unit. so I think it will be hard for opponents to block you from deploying the doggies

Slap some little wings on them and pop them on the correct base size and your good to go

I’d bin off the coven throne for 6 Varghiest

So my takes after having a good read through everything: graveguard seem strong but they are slow and can’t take a punch. They were never taken in old LON when you could bring loads back and now you’re lucky to get 3 back a hero phase. I just think they’ll be focused down with shooting and magic or alpha strikes in combat. You could go sword and board but they lose a lot of hitting power. Radukar and Belladamma are awesome. Honestly think Belladamma is an auto include for most lists. skeletons bring models back is pretty meh. Sounds good on paper but it seems you only roll for what was killed that phase so they’ll quickly get whittled down. Plus zero offensive ability. zombies. Really strong with the janky pile in. One issue with them is the only buff worth doing is +1 attack and Van Hels so you’re then relying on Radukar a vamp Lord and a necromancer. Radukar is great but the other 2 don’t bring anything else to the table and to get this combo off you need 2 CP and to cast a spell. Plus with rumours of AOS going like 40K so smaller board and everything going up in cost how many big juicy blobs of 1 wound models will their be for the zombies to maximise adding new models to the unit? Vengorian Lord: anyone else noticed his CA is board wide? He’d be great in a monster mash list. blood Knights: pretty hitty on the charge, if they get flee and charge they are great otherwise I’m not so sure. prince Vhordrai and Mannfred are both great. Dire Wolves. Great in Vyrkros near a hero so they are 3’s and 2’s on the charge. Coven Throne: great spell and amazing command ability but is it worth 310pts for that? Guess you really need to lean into it and be buffing 30 graveguard or 10-15 blood knights a turn to be getting the most out of them. Surprisingly juicy in Kasteli if they get +1 damage. Varghiests: flying deepstriking vampire Ogors! What’s not to love? Die to a stiff breeze but in Kasteli they will be overlooked for the Blood Knights and Vhordrai. vamp on zombie dragon: no more chalice and command ability?! Don’t think they are worth it for 435pts. Overall the biggest issue for me is the army has turned into Khorne. Lots of janky stuff you need to make sure goes off and loads of little bubbles your units need to be wholly within which for me personally sounds like too much like hard work to enjoy on the table. The exception to this is an elite kasteli list which seems like a lot of fun although not sure how good it will be. biggest turn off for me is the lack of care and effort that seems to have gone into the book. The spell lores hardly changing and pretty much every single character being 3’s and 3’s -1 D3 damage. Wight Kings command ability so obviously being broken but just not picked up during any part of the design process. The model team at GW made all these fantastic minis and clearly put a lot of time and love into them and then the rules team have looked at an awesome model like the rat prince for example and spent 5 mins creating a Warscroll for him. The 40K rules guys seem to really put their heart and soul into their work and whilst there’s obvious balance issues when they release a new codex you really get the sense they’ve poured over every unit and thought about what it does on the battlefield and how it can be improved. Ultimately it’s this lack of care and effort from the AOS rules guys that will mean I don’t drop a shed load of cash on this army. If you’re happy with this release then I’m happy for you and hope you enjoy it but for me I don’t think GW have put enough effort in to get my hard earned money.

Ahhh my apologises I read that as deadwalker zombies!

A perfect example of this laziness is the Wolf dynasty having an alliegance ability that makes them re-roll casting 🤷🏻‍♂️ Why don’t they have an alliegence ability that buffs Dire Wolves?!