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@Overread is there any warcry warbands that you would personally like to see added to any armies?

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@HollowHills I feel that you are correct on both levels, I think it might be a Warcry/Underworld release of a Embailor with some mid-sized monster in tow.

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54 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:

And this is why I cant get into 40K. They have literally endless possibilities and wont try anything new. I'm hoping to be proven wrong with 9th Edition and maybe theyll drop a sneaky new Xeno army. 

They will release a new Xenos army after they release every Space Marine Primarch and all of the Chaos Factions... and then the Xenos army will be sidelined by the lost legion of mauve marines!!

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6 hours ago, Overread said:

You mean like seeing a huge bunch of new and updated Necrons? 
Perhaps as some kind of big starter set with cool new models and revamping some of their oldest plastic designs? 

 

Xenos are like AoS in that its all extremes at present. Necrons, Genestealers, Tau mecha and Tyranids are all in good places right now broadly speaking. Eldar, Dark Eldar Orks and Xenos allies for Tau are where there are some weak points (orks are sort of half way between the two). 

 

I am very fond of Necrons which are being updated and I am interested in Chaos (as I can reuse some of my Slaves To Darkness models in a Chaos Space Marine army). I do not really understand why GW seems so reluctant to expand on Xenos armies or develop further new Xenos factions. As you mentioned there is limitless potential but three flavours of Space-Elves, Post Apocalyptic-Orcs and Robot Skeletons are sadly pretty uninspired.  
But overall, I am just not a big fan of the aesthetic of Space Marines and they dominate the line in such an overbearing manner. I am interested in getting the new 40k box for the necrons and maybe running Space Marines as Imperium and proxied-Chaos. My friends are also all pressuring me to try it out. But overall, I am more interested in the creative armies presented in AOS. I might instead just purchase the AOS Starter set and help my cousin expand his Legions of Nagash and start a new army of angelic lightening paladins. As divisive as Stormcast may be, they are more interesting to me than knockoff Imperial Stormtroopers.

However negativity does not suit me, so instead I will talk rumours. Does anyone know if any of GW staff was able to work from home on design or rules development? I know that model production was delayed but I am not sure how much of GW staff was laid off for that time?

[Will humans continue existing in AOS]

I feel that the lack of new Human models is an indicator of the amount of work being put into whatever their forthcoming models will be. If I had to guess it would be a Devouted of Sigmar army. I feel that the legacy models from Empire in Cities of Sigmar will have to wait some time before getting a proper update but Warcry and Underworlds will bring them small incremental updates until that day. I mean how old are some of the Imperial Guard minis in 40K?

As a purely hypothetical army, I think it would be cool if they did an army of human Witches for Destruction.

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From the brief time that I have returned to this hobby, I have noticed that when a new army is released  it is often hard to predict and understand how to play around it. Often this results in early adopters making builds that capitalize on that confusion and they will frequently seem overpowered. But after a while either people learn to play around it, or the army gets a slight adjustment in the next rules update. So while I personally think that Lumineth seem very strong, I also doubt I will come across any of its overly competitive builds and will learn to play against the Lumineth opponents in my own small group of friends. 😁


I have also noticed the more complex an army's rules the worse this reaction seems to be. I will admit playing against certain armies can feel somewhat overwhelming at times (Ossiarch and Tzeentch come to mind) and Lumineth seem like they will follow that trend... for better or worse. 😧

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10 minutes ago, Aryann said:

What do you mean by saying collector set?

I can't remember the exact term, but they are not referring to it as a Starter set. As it lacks certain additions that make it more beginner friendly such as dice and painting guides. Essentially the less valuable components. 

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I think an important question is do we want a new starter set or a 'collector set' like 40k is getting? I am honestly up for either but think starter set works best considering that AOS is still a newer game system.

I could also see instead of CoS or Stormcast a new set being released featuring Devouted of Sigmar (with a Stormcast unit added for good measure). But I still imagine Stormcast will make the cut above anything else.

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I love the new box set it might convince me to start 40k. Necrons have always been my jam and despite not liking Space Marines, I am thinking I might make a Dark/Fallen Angel army and use them as Space Marines or Chaos depending on my mood (if that is at all possible).

It really makes me wonder what our next box will be. Good money seems to be on Orruks vs Stormcast.

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Yeah, I think they are waiting to release Lumineth and then we will get a ton of articles for them and teases for Sons.

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8 hours ago, Oak7603 said:

The point I was making which I didn't actually put in my post is that to a new player, like me, all of the armies are new. It doesn't matter who it is, whether it's new to Aos 2.0 or an army from WFB ported over in dribs and drabs. The new players reference point is zero so its all new. 

In terms of attracting new players, I don't think new armies or new units is the draw. Maybe the advertising of a new army makes you aware of the world but if GW had advertised a new boxset with BoC against DoK with all the old models and with all the old Battletomes and lore I still would have bought it because it was new to me and the army attracted me. Despite the outcry there would be from existing players. 

I think that the new armies, units and Battletomes are more for the existing player base to try and tempt you into starting a whole new army and forking out a few hundred quid. 

This is such a good point, everyone I have introduced to the hobby looks at each faction with the same excitement and interest that we do when a new one releases. The only disappointment I see comes in the form of realizing that certain armies that pique their interest cannot always ally.

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To add to @Overread's point even if things get released it does not always mean it will be a fully fledged army. For example: Grotbag Scuttlers may get a full release, they may get a unit in Underworlds or Warcry,  they may get a subfaction in a future update for Gloomspite Gitz, or they might be part of a new army with classic Gitmob grots. There is also a chance that they will get a few rules in an issue of White Dwarf and cool conversion lesson on Warhammer community. 

Speculation is a really fun part of the hobby but it is not reliable.

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51 minutes ago, ReyD1 said:

Ok so if I summarize all the rumors / hints : 

- Kurnothi as a new Wood Elves army 

- Malerion bringing his Emoneth/Shadowneth from Ulgu. 

- A new dwarf army with the return of Grugni (Stone Dwarfs ?) 

- Sky / Pirates Gobbos, nemesis of the Kharadron (?) 

- A new Vampire army with Soulblight. 

- Daughters of Khaine / Slannesh new battletomes ? 

 

That's it ? 

Welcome @ReyD1

That is about all we currently know and none of it is confirmed in the slightest. 

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I think that all the Aelves seem to be set up in a manner that can be easily consolidated back into the the traditional High, Dark, Wood divisions. Idoneth and Lumineth are both made from Teclis and fit the role of High Elves, Daughters of Khaine and Malerion's Aelves are pretty much just an updated take on Dark Elves and then Sylvaneth and Kurnothi round off things as the new Wood Elves.

I don't think that they will necessarily go in this direction... but I also think that it is set up so that if either side fail they can be absorbed into the more popular side as a subfaction.

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7 hours ago, Baron Klatz said:

I think the absolute best outcome of a Mega-gargant boxed set would be the Kraken-eater vs Deepkin. Excellent themes that go together and you can throw both sides together for an army.

I would be so unbelievably happy if that were to happen. Is there any precedence for this with 40K Knights?
I know there was Forgebane but Armigers are a cheaper kit than any of the larger Knights.

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I feel as though with Warcry opening up to non-chaos warbands, my immediate thought for all rumour engines is now warcry.

Owl - Kurnothi Warband

Crab claw - Idoneth Warband

40k Bolt Rifle - Space Marine Warcry Warband

 

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Oh man, the new Necrons look soo good.  I really don't know if I can afford a new army post pandemic and with a price hike but I have always had a soft spot for Necrons. Space Marines continue to do literally nothing for me and giving them a chainsaw swords does not change that. I am hoping that the emphasis on Sisters of Battle means the starter set will be Necrons vs Sisters of Battle. It would also give them a chance to reuse the easy to build sister molds that they have lying around. I know it wont happen but I can dream.

Is the amount of time between 40k editions a good indicator of how long to suspect a new edition for AOS?

[How have Gw price rises affected your purchasing habits?]

I think that the price increase for an already pricey hobby is very much limiting what I will purchase. I was thinking of starting a 40k army, but now I think that I will stick with my small Slaves to Darkness and Idoneth armies. I can say that with more decent pricing I would be more armies deep into the hobby and spend more money on GW's products.

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3 hours ago, mojojojo101 said:

I think it is more likely to be issues with particular armies. You can already see this with DoK.

I don't know anyone who plays them and they don't seem to have any meaningful tournament representation. Anecdotally it seems that the sheer cost of putting a DoK army on the table is already a very big barrier to entry.

I can attest that I was priced out of the army and settled for Idoneth (I am happy with my choice). But the increased cost is a challenge in general as the hobby is already fairly pricey. 😢

To return to the frontiers of idle speculation. Would anyone else be cool with Gitmob and Grotbag Scuttlers having a shared release and battle tome?

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Haven't there also been some some Duardin/Dispossessed rumours?

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I saw someone mention it looks like Sigvald's sword on Reddit... now every other option seems boring in comparison.

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I am very curious if Horus Heresy has anything to do with Space Marine dominance? I remember seeing them as very popular when I was young, but now it seems like it is impossible to be in this Hobby without at least collecting a small incidental army of space marines.

I am liking the role of Stormcast within Cities of Sigmar. I hope they follow suit in a potential Devoted of Sigmar army. I feel that it makes them feel special like Sigmar sent giant avatars of justice to protect the common folk. I think that using Stormcast and Space Marines sparingly makes the feel more powerful and unique. 

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@Raviv Darn I was hoping for more news for AOS and I am dreading the new Necron news. I can't afford a new army but I love  the aesthetics of Necrons and I am likely to fall prey to whatever rumoured box is coming. 

Does anyone imagine a similar AOS news day sometime in the near future?

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Just now, KingBrodd said:

I think that with the Khorne symbol on the Warstomper for example, is that its moulded on and it is just a part of the model.

I also believe on the topic of Mutations that the Mega Gargants will not come with any. I wouldnt be suprised for GW to do what they did with the Imperial Knights in 40K and release an entire Chaos Mega Gargant in a year or so time.

You broke my heart in one sentence, and repaired it in the next 😊

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6 hours ago, EccentricCircle said:

Its worth noting that the warping effects of Chaos have always been explicitly called mutation, which by definition implies that they affect the subject genetically. 

Although you are correct that there is an implicit link between mutation and genetic alteration, the term mutation itself etymologically linked to the notion of change.  As @Overread posits, Chaos has little to do with real world science and more closely resembles other fantasy tropes such as magic. Games Workshop often portrays mutation affecting non-genetic aspects of a person such as their personality or souls. The impact of mutants in pop culture seem to have a greater bearing on GW's narrative and aesthetic depictions of mutation than any sort of real world scientific explanations. It is possible that 40K is more explicit with how the effects of the Warp alter genetic code as it is more fitting for the tropes and schemes of a science fiction setting. The term mutation is clearly a notion that is easily problematized, and rightfully so as it contains real world implications. But, I feel that it is discussion that warrants its own thread.

Now to tie this back to rumours, this is something I touched on in the thread before but it seems fitting in light of this recent discussion. With the chaos iconography that the giants have plundered, who expects to be able to build giants with iconography linked entirely to specific alliances, and what chance is there that they will include mutation options like with the Aleguzzler? I feel like some death options would be nice but the the right paint scheme could easily zombify the giants. I have a sinking feeling that I will need to learn how to use greenstuff soon.