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So what type of announcements are we to expect with this launch celebration? I feel I watched the 40k reveal and it was mostly more Necrons and Space Marines. But did they reveal the whole rest of those two lines? I also vaguely remember some army books being shown although I assume those were for Space Marines and Necrons...? Is it safe to assume we will see the rest of the SCE Kruelboyz/Warclans reveals?

Kruleboyz are last week's news we need more Duardin info! Soups, new models, will we get a return of other ancestor gods, will we get chorfs, will they be in S2D or standalone? Also and most importantly can Magmadroths ride in KO ships!?!

Intentionally or not it also has a ring of Tolkien to it. As many here know, it was the Valar Aulë the Smith who created the Fathers of the Dwarves*. I am actually really liking the story reason for the Duardin soup. I just hope there is enough impetus narratively for people to run their mono Duardin factions. I want some KO to still think uniting is still a terrible idea and some Fyreslayers to think this new guy is pretty dope but he is no Grimnir. *With help from Iluvatar giving them true life.

I have always felt like Duardin should be represented in Each Grand alliance. KO and Dispossessed (or what ever name they get upon Grungi's return to prominence) could stay as a part of Order. I still think that Grimnir should have become a new God of Destruction a more civilized alternative to Gorkamorka and Kragnos. Closer to a god of war than anything. Chorfs in all their hatty goodness would up Chaos' fashion game and rival Slaanesh. Finally some form of deathly Duardin. I keep imaging them being somewhat akin Qin Shi Huang's Terracotta Army... only with bits of skeleton poking through any cracks.

"The beta will be free to use and includes the all-important army building tool. Eventually, the app will join the wider Warhammer+ offer, and access to paid features (including the army building tool) will be included as part of that subscription" Sounds like I will be list building with pen and paper again 🤨

I must say that all of the Warhammer+ news is really disheartening to me. I am not into a monthly subscription for an already needlessly expensive hobby. I also thought the free warscrolls and army building tools for AOS were a large part of how and why I got invested into the game in the first place. It truly felt like GW had turned over a new and better leaf... Oh well I should have learned along time ago what company I was dealing with. I cannot imagine it last long, but I also imagine them trying to hold out on it much longer than they truly ought to. As for rumours, I am feeling like I need to play a bit of catch up but do we have anything new regarding SCE and Orruk Warbands/Kruel Boyz? It seems like it has been a little silent beyond vague possibly false rumours of drakes and wolves...

Having not read the story yet, I will admit I am liking how Tyrion sounds like he is a good friend of Grungni and wanted to have the Duardin as allies. It still makes me think that he may be the key for brokering a peace with the IDK if ever they wanted to make some High Aelven soup. Then we can get DOK/Malerion's forces, Sylvaneth/Kurnothi and Lumineth/IDK for a somewhat more traditional division of Dark, Wood, High Elves.

I have still yet to pick up Dominion because I am waiting to learn more about Dwarf soup. It would make me pivot very quickly. The only reason I haven't yet is that my friend also plays Duardin and I think he'd be miffed if I did so but still I would do it in a flash.

Yeah it was my understanding that the GHB's contents were all known. That said I do think there is a point that the most recent releases got the biggest points increases. I am thinking that they best reflect what point averages will look like when the older books get updated... It makes me think that the Orruk Warclans and Stormcast players building armies to the tune of the GHB will be sorely disappointed when their books drop... but we will see.

Horray! I may get it yet at my local hobby shop... Those KO I have been eyeing shall fly into someone else's life 😭

I am still risking the Local Game Store purchase route, but they said that they will get a small order followed by a much bigger order in a few weeks... however, if I miss it I might impulse buy the Kharadron Battleforce as some sky dwarves will be mighty tempting...

You can always switch the head for a helmeted option. Sounds like Dominion will have a few options for heads. I really like that Stormcast seem to have gone for a somewhat standard build with additional heroic flair, as it makes kit-bashing them a lot simpler as sizes are generally pretty similar. I personally really like the head but I am a true millennial hipster dirtbag. I think people will appreciate the sculpt more when they see different paint jobs though. Maybe you could trade someone for Astreia Solbright's head?

Welcome on board friend, That is a lovely collection and Sylvaneth are one of the coolest lines in the game. There are constant rumours abuzz about Kurnothi Aelves aka bestial Woodelves to hopefully expand your army. I am also a relic of the old world and I just found my first grey hair two days ago... 😩

Congrats my friend, it is a great feeling cracking that full army milestone. I just finished up my 2000 Slaves to Darkness and have an ogre army in the works. I am excited about hopefully getting my hands on Dominion. But if not I have my eyes on a Kharadron Battleforce, Shadow and Pain and have been mulling over the idea of grabbing a souldrain forest set and start collecting Sylvaneth. I just got a new job and want to celebrate with an approximately 200 dollar start on an order army.

I tend to be careful with my purchases for this exact reason. This is a pricey hobby already and I have seen what new editions can do to a collection. Even now I have to do some conversions and such to meet new unit sizes.

Getting to see the points changes it is not as bad as I feared but it also makes my 2000 points armies quite a bit more expensive. I do not see this as a terrible thing as it lets me change my builds although I do have to change up some unit compositions with the change to Chaos warrior sizes. My ogres are in a much different place but as I am still building them and getting them ready I can more easily course correct. I have 3 start collecting sets some frost sabres and an Icebrow hunter. So my plan of two Frostlords and a Huskard is switching to two Huskards and a Frostlord. Also my plan to add a Stardrake to dominion is seeming slightly untenable... but still doable. I might go with a Lord-Arcanum on Tauralon or Celestant Prime instead? Although, with a new tome in bound these units will likely change the quickest and so I should not put much stock in the GHB points. Still I think that despite the logic not being clear most armies seem to be effected in roughly similar ways. I do think that GW may have thought that the new table size will have more of an impact than we do regarding shooting.

I would love this to be the case. Are there currently any Pegasus even in the game? I feel like Yndrasta is making the Celestant Prime feel like a relic so I really hope they have plans to make Sigmar's little friend feel special again. Particularly after getting absolutely wrecked by Lady O. I think either a points reduction or a pretty big warscroll rework are in order.

Great catch and a really cool looking character. It is funny that this is one of the factions/expansions I am most looking forward towards, but I am also not particularly hyped about. Kurnothi feel like a certainty at this point, and I am actually getting frustrated at the wait. Like I loved the Warsong Revenant but they could have just slapped some hooves on him confirming an eventual Kurnothi expansion and called it a day. I am still hoping that the more elite the unit the more atavistic they become. Waywatchers with largely aelvish features and horns, faun-like wardancers and finally centaur styled cavalry. I would hope for more than just those three units, but that could represent a baseline of potential hybridity.

I meant Dispossessed as a catch all for Grungni's currently unnamed followers, not specifically referring to the ones in CoS. I see now why that would be confusing... kind of like how prior to Lumineth's proper reveal when people would sometimes refer to the upcoming army as High Elves and things would often get confusing (hence why the marketing reveal of 'pointy elves' was so effective). I also think you bring up some very good points but the reason I see KO standing apart is purely from their popularity, although I do think the same could have been said about IronJawz relative to Bonesplitterz. So just ignore my post. 😅

I can still see Dwarf soup being on the menu, but I am just curious if Kharadron will be an ingredient. I could see Dispossessed and Fyreslayers sharing a tome with 1/4 units being KO. Then KO could have a stand alone book and be featured in a unified Duardin soup. This can also create some interesting narrative tension as some Kharadron see the ones following Grimnir as traitors. Chaos Dwarves are also appear to be on the horizon, but will they join the Perpetual stew of Slaves to Darkness or stand alone?

Yeah I love the game, but that is just a way of sharing my time and hard work of hobbying with my friends who are doing the same. We meet up and know that the most recently released tome will likely dominate. None of us have the resources to be meta chasers we are just a group of friends playing with toys and admiring the work that we put into the hobby. If we find things unbalanced we develop our own little house rules to compensate. Also fun takes precedence, some people in my group are more competitive than others but they will adapt when playing agains those of us who are more chill. Namely some of my friends run optimized and sub optimized lists to win or have fun. They usually enjoy winning more with their sub optimized lists to be honest but like the idea of breaking out the optimized list against each other. Within my group I am the geeky kid that wants to make things more narratively driven, so I have been hyping the new Path to Glory rules to my friends... they all like my narrative suggestions especially as I do not turn it into a massive lore discussion but rather tie things more into mythology and fairytales while not contradicting the games shared lore.

That's true but I rarely considered battalions when list building or purchasing an army. Mostly because they were the most fungible part of every army. I did run them but usually in response to what I owned not as something to be purchased around.

It is funny seeing people getting mad about point increases (which are impacting the whole game) when all I can think is that it will make it cheaper to collect a new army. Maybe I can get dominion an additional battleline, add a stardrake and call it a day... heck maybe battleforces will be 3/4th an army now. Sylvaneth are one of my absolute favourite lines but are far too expensive with the additional scenery and dryad summoning, but if treelords go up enough maybe 2 starter sets and the broken realms box can roughly reach close to 2000. So with GW constantly dictating the cost of this game maybe this new point value is to make up for the incremental price increases that are forcing people out of the hobby or to find alternate games or means of purchasing minis. As others have pointed out these points will also trend downwards over time. They will often state that they might even reach the current point levels of 2.0 but I have my doubts as the new table dimensions would likely get cluttered. Sure, my current 2000 point Slaves to Darkness and Beastclaw Raiders armies are now over priced but that gives me more switch outs and possible expansions for Path to Glory.

Their loss! Your army is a fantastic display of the type of originality and freedom this hobby can provide. 😁 I am not nearly as strong of a hobbyist, but my favourite thing is to develop a unique colour scheme to make an army feel like it is mine. Even when it is not truly unique so long as it deviates from the standard GW scheme. It just makes me happy to know that I will not come across it on the table repeatedly even if I see something remarkably similar.

I would assume that this is pandemic related? Namely that many of these products would likely have been released by the time they are announced, so it is harder to keep a lid on things?