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Right now, if I was in a FLGS and saw a new person perusing AoS models, I'd honestly point them at 40k. And if not there, then to board games. With editions on a 3 year cycle, and boxes of minis being a week's project, with an army being probably a labor of months, then, if that person chooses wrongly, they'll spend hundreds or thousands on something that gets removed. Why take the risk that your work will end up collecting dust instead of victory? Why not spend your hobby time on models that you can show off instead of sitting on a shelf somewhere? Fyreslayers have received almost no support. Ogors have been similarly poorly supported. The Dark Elves in Cities could easily be lost to an Umbraneth release if that ever happens. City Dwarves have been on the chopping block for years. That's 2 and 2/3 armies that might end up gone in three years. Maggoth lords in Nurgle have been out of stock for 3 years. The Rotmire creed is a warcry unit, so I don't know if they will stay. Could mortal Nurgle get replaced with generic Darkoath? I don't know. And uncertainty means no investment. Do I now have to worry that my Vindictors, Vanquishers and Vigilors might vanish in the next edition? They'll be 6 years old then. That's the age that Stormcast apparently puts its models out to pasture. Should I spend the money on one of the big dragons? That Stardrake is pretty old. I'm not sure its still going to be usable in a year. Better not buy it. Should I buy a Mawkrusha? The Ironjawz have gotten some updates recently, but can I trust that they won't have the old models cut? The Mawkrusha is, after all, an old model. Is the Tuskboss supposed to supplant the cabbage? This uncertainty means I'm not spending. Its already an expensive hobby. I was looking forward to buying the new Stormcast. I own mostly at least one unit of everything. Now, I own a bunch of plastic that requires kitbashing to be WSYWYG legal. That is going to take time, effort, and resources. Those resources are coming out of the budgeted money for new stuff. I'm not quitting. But I'm not buying.

Any hero phase, according to the back cover of the GHB.

Nurgle can summon trees and starts with one I think. That might be it, though.

Mine arrived today. Fully intact. I just wish that preorders arrived the day of release. Especially with a 2 week window.

Yes Yes On the first day of Preorder No, but I got a shipping notification 4 hrs ago (9PM EST) that I will have it via UPS on Friday (thinking that UPS likes to deliver to my neighbors, I'll probably get it Saturday or Sunday when my neighbor realizes that my package is not his.)

What about in the cases where a sub-faction is expressly REQUIRED? This FAQ specifically says that in order to have a living city army it must abide by exactly the living city color scheme. A color scheme they show in exactly 8 close-ups. So, I guess it must be confusing to see a living city army based on cherry blossoms and with 3 treelords in it. You might think its something else entirely, even though none of the cities have a pink theme, and only one city can have more than 400 points of Sylvaneth. If my opponent says that my pink and purple scheme is not the living city, it matches no city. That makes it fully 100% un-usable. This is, in general, unacceptable to me. I find the last-minute nature of having to beg my opponent to understand what he is looking at to be one bridge too far. This rule means that - full stop - I should not paint, plan, or practice that army. Every single Tournament packet I have seen every clearly calls for no proxy models, and GW has said that models painted in non-book schemes are proxies. So if I don't have a connection to a specific city's color scheme, I just shouldn't play Cities. Or Soulblight. Or StD. All require subfactions, so all require specific paint schemes now. Also, flip what you just said. If you get creative , you are denying yourself access to the extra free rules available to subfactions. Creativity (even as little as a single shade difference) carries a gameplay penalty. How far off of the scheme can you go? What if I paint the weapons as if they are trapped ghosts with the contrast ghost paints? Does that invalidate the paint on the armor and cloth? Does ANY variation change this? What if I paint the leather as a yellow-brown instead of a warm tan-brown? Does that invalidate my rules? What about basing? Can I base them on non-book basing designs? Like on tile or marble instead of grass and dirt?

I have 50 high elf spears, 50 high elf archers, 40 high elf silverhelms (knights), 4 repeater bolt throwers, 40 white lions, 4 high elf chariots (2 lion, 2 horse), 2 dragons, 2 elves on the small griffins, 2 flying chariots and 10 metal dragon princes. That's just the losses from my High Elf forces. I had a full 2 units of pretty much everything, but the swordmasters are decent counts-as freeguild greatswords, and the phoenix guard and phoenixes are still usable. I also have over a hundred orc boyz, 4 bolt throwers, 2 rock lobbas, 4 orc chariots, 4 wolf chariots, a wyvern-mounted warboss, and a bunch of battl;e standard bearers for different forces. The orc and goblin split caught me wrong-footed. my small savage force is all old metals, and I own a LOT of black orcs (ardboyz) but they aren't painted yet. My dark elves survived mostly intact. My other projects were all speculative when I quit (30 mid conversion marauders, 20 skellys for a maybe TK army) but those were not full armies at the time. They all live in the closet of shame while I assemble and paint new stuff. Occasionally I find a way to reuse the old stuff (bits, basing, etc.)

Let me explain why I hate this idea so much: I wanted to play 40k, and I liked the Eldar. I spent my money, painted my mostly aspect warrior force up according to the color schemes (or at least as close as I could get), and had the whole force ready to go. I got to the store for a game with a friend, and watched as on another table, a game finished, and one player was complaining that he felt that the game had been unfair. You see, in a game of Blood Angels v Ultramarines, the ultramarine player had painted his army slightly darker (think one shade above navy blue) and the Blood Angels player thought that that was unfair as they didn't match the book. The Ultramarines player asked what they had been confused for, or what had been difficult to understand. No examples were given. Two grown men were having an argument that escalated to a shouting match over the shades of paint on plastic models. I looked at my models. They weren't perfect, but if that was the standard, I wanted nothing to do with the game. I felt my creative connection to my models die. I sold the army unplayed because in my local store, 'that guy' existed, and he did check for exact shades. 40k died off in our store within a year. I played fantasy instead because the world was big enough that color schemes didn't matter. My HElves could be tan and green and just be a minor lordling's from Caledor. I had thought that with the size of the Mortal Realms, that there would be room for expansion and color variations. I stand corrected. Now this rule is in AOS. You may like it. I find it empowers the worst type of player: the player who not only wants to win, but to win while the other player is denied as much of his own enjoyment as possible.

"Relentless discipline points are used to issue a command in the same manner as command points, but can only be used to issue a command with command abilities that appear on a warscroll that has the Ossiarch Bonereapers keyword, or to issue a command with an Ossiarch Bonereaper Legion command ability, or to issue the Unstoppable Advance command below." The faq seems to treat them exactly as command points, so they would be affected by Geminids. I could be wrong here, but the language seems clear at first glance.

Yndrasta can't take an artifact in Settler's gain. All of the artifacts are labeled Collegiate Arcane Heroes only. Sorry to be the artifact bearer of bad news. Or did that get fixed somewhere?

Telling hobbyists that because you decided on green hats instead of blue hats, I am going to have to insist that you cannot use the rules for the blue hat subfaction, and since no rules exist for a green hat faction, you must not use any subfaction rules at all is the absolute worst gatekeeping imaginable. At that point you are telling someone who has paid the initial fee for models, the initial time commitment of assembly and painting, the mental time to learn and practice a complicated rules system that because of MINOR aesthetic decisions, that they cannot play the game equally. You tell the creative that this is a game for the uncreative. You tell the artist that this is a game for color-by-numbers. This kills the hobby. Take a look at the excellent Golden Daemon-winning painted models and realize how few of those would be painted if you limited the palette of the artist. How many neat and excellent converted armies that counts-as something to be playable and tell the owners that their awesome army is a great show piece, but no one gets to challenge it. No one gets to play against the cool thing because 'someone might get confused'. Or does the 'spectacle' outweigh the 'aesthetic' of the game? Look at the PR of GW, heralding all the conversions and epic paint jobs that don't completely perfectly model their schemes. Are all of those paint jobs now useless because the artist decided on a different accent color? If accent colors don't change the idea, then what percentage must be official? 51%? 70% Where is the confusion percentage? Is that by volume or area?

Long time lurker. Just wanted to add this. Painting guides aren't provided for every subfaction. Even when they are present, AOS has not been a game where that level of painting specificity has ever been required. I stopped playing 40k when local gamers were debating the legality of specific paint colors. I thought AOS was a more accepting place. I guess I was wrong? I am guessing, based on the arguments here, that a person who painted up a 'stonecast' army would have to not choose a subfaction, or a person who painted a nurgle army (which did not have subfactions until recently) would be unable to claim a subfaction without repainting an entire army. This is exactly the mindset that makes people walk away. Hobbyists should be able to paint their armies as they choose. Full stop. Otherwise, there is no reason the models couldn't be sold pre-assembled and pre-painted. The limiting of paints limits the hobby.