trolemon

As someone with more Bonesplitterz than Ironjawz and Kruleboyz, I am gutted. I am double gutted that I cannot easily port them to old world because of the restrictions on savage orcs in old world list building. (Think it's one unit of each type per 1k points?)

New editions have always been June/July release dates. I think the only editions that haven't been were 40k & WHFB 7th editions (May and September)

Or it's just an oversight, and they forgot to add "-2024" on the end. Orrrr... GW has time travel capability and the books came out earlier this year in the other 2023 winter months per your definition!

You've got me there, but to pull from the 40k roadmap, World Eaters were listed as winter and came out in February this year. Wouldn't surprise me if the FEC box launched this side of Xmas, and the standalone battletome + dawnbringers book 4 released early 2024.

February is still winter. Although Slaves to Darkness was winter 2022 on the roadmap and came out January this year so you never know.

I agree, and don't think 8 is too far out of the realms of possibility, especially if they just make the old horrors kit purely for SBGL vargheists, to free up more design space for separate horror and flayer kits, and release dedicated models for the 3 courtiers+varghulf.

Summer starts June 21st so still a while to go

Beasts of Chaos, Flesh Eaters, and Bonesplitterz don't have any named non-Underworlds characters afaik

I have a request for some orruk mathhammer: how many mortal wounds will a wurrgog prophet do with his mask on average before he dies if you keep rolling? With a 4+ ward from glowin tattoos he could probably tank a fair few D6 mortals on himself

I genuinely despise heroic recovery as a destruction player. If you're death demons, starborne or stormcast it'll go off almost guaranteed, while it never goes off for you. Turns stuff that was already hard to kill, into something completely nutty. Should have been a flat 5+ for everyone.

Don't know which codex you have digitally but there's the Death Guard Plague Marines, and the CSM Plague Marines.

Bonesplitterz just need their resin heroes in plastic, boss onna pig, and plastic rogue idol (with optional Wurrgog rider). But I agree, if they don't get them now, they're not getting anything this edition and that stings considering they didn't get anything last edition either (Underworlds don't count). Savage Orruks and boarboys are from March 2011, not 2010.

What about a small souping where you borrow small amounts from other armies but it's not a united Duardin allegiance like Big Waaagh is for Orruks. All the cities Duardin are missing from the old WHFB feel imo are slayers, grudges, miners, and more shooting. Take the Vulkite Beserkers from Fyreslayers (maybe with an upgrade sprue for generic mohawks instead of the fire drake looking ones), call em Slayers and bring the Unforged back as a Mega-Gargant Slayer. That's slayers sorted. Just bring back the miners kit for miners. They were already plastic. Take the Arkanaut Company from KO (again maybe an upgrade sprue for bare heads) and that's a little bit more shooting. Give them a book of grudges / anvil of doom terrain piece, and something nutty like the old flame cannon and you're looking pretty set without running Magmadroths and Boats together. Just Mohawks and Pistols.

100% agree. As a Warclans player I think Bonesplitterz could use a little padding out too. The dream would be a plastic rogue idol kit, and for the idol to be a mount option for a Wurrgog Prophet. This kit could double up as a prophet on foot if you build it unmounted then. A dual kit for the Manual Weirdnob/Boarboy Boss would also be pretty cool. I also feel like there's room for some sort of hunter stalker type hero too. Like a Bonesplitterz equivalent of The Predator.

If you go back through my profile you'll find a spreadsheet with all the AOS kits up to Jan 2020. I started to add this info to Lexicanum (https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Kits) but fell off due to final year uni issues pertaining to covid. I'll try and get back on it!

The fact that they count for 10 models holding objectives is nothing to shake at. Between the ogre behmoths counting for 10, mancrushers counting for 10 and mega gargants counting for 20 I feel like behemoths in general need sweeping changes. Why does a thundertusk/stonehorn/mancrusher count as 10, but an aleguzzler/mawkrusha/carnosaur only count as 1?

From that comment in their Facebook post it seems pretty conclusive that Seraphon aren't getting much else. Endless spells not looking likely either unless they're called something else like the Khorne and fyreslayers ones.

Seraphon terrain is great and all but it makes that terrain the only thing they've gotten for all of AoS. Hoping there's more up their sleeves, like Endless Spells and at least one new sculpt. Tzeentch spells weren't shown in the Christmas preview ao I can see this happening.

The problem with Seraphon (and why those that play them are so vocal about it) is that it is a WHFB army that was never really developed in Age of Sigmar. All the other armies (except The Empire and Bretonnia) have spawned fleshed out Age of Sigmar armies, or have been the basis of inspiration for Age of Sigmar armies. Lizardmen/Seraphon players haven't had the chance to take their Wood Elves and develop them into Sylvaneth, or begrudingly take up Fyreslayers/Kharadron to get their Dwarf fix. They've been stuck with the same army they had in WHFB, with no new releases at all throughout all of AoS (even Ogres and Skaven got that!) I would also like to make it known that if a new Seraphon battletome doesn't hit shelves by Saturday April 11th 2020, the wait would have been just as long (to the day) as the wait for the Slaves to Darkness battletome.

I could see that. Would redeem the lackluster warclans release for sure (no terrain/dice/spells/models)

Hey look, no Seraphon warcry cards. Could this means theres new models on the way, or that they dont know what to do with them as a faction?

I've been working on a spreadsheet for warscrolls, what kit makes them, and the material/age of the kit to try and figure out what armies need updating the most and heres a rough overview of what ive got so far: Average Kit Age (Oldest to Newest) Seraphon (May 2008) Ogor Mawtribes (September 2008) Skaven (February 2009) Legions of Nagash (August 2009) Beasts of Chaos (February 2011) Cities of Sigmar (October 2011) Orruk Warclans (November 2012) Slaves to Darkness (August 2013) Maggotkin of Nurgle (March 2014) Disciples of Tzeentch (August 2014) Flesh-Eater Courts (August 2014) Gloomspite Gitz (March 2015) Blades of Khorne (March 2015) Sylvaneth (October 2015) Daughters of Khaine (December 2015) Hedonites of Slaanesh (April 2016) Fyreslayers (November 2016) Stormcast Eternals (January 2017) Nighthaunt (May 2017) Kharadron Overlords (August 2017) Idoneth Deepkin (April 2018) Ossiarch Bonereapers (November 2018) All-Plastic Armies Cities of Sigmar Daughters of Khaine Fyreslayers Idoneth Deepkin Kharadron Overlords Nighthaunt Ossiarch Bonereapers Stormcast Eternals Armies with the most Finecast Kits (Most to Least) Seraphon (12 kits) Ogor Mawtribes (8 kits) Beasts of Chaos (7 kits) Skaven (6 kits) Legions of Nagash (5 kits) Blades of Khorne (4 kits) Maggotkin of Nurgle (4 kits) Slaves to Darkness (4 kits) Disciples of Tzeentch (3 kits) Orruk Warclans (3 kits) Gloomspite Gitz (2 kits) Flesh-Eater Courts (1 kit) Hedonites of Slaanesh (1 kit) Sylvaneth (1 kit) Armies with the most Metal Kits (Most to Least) Skaven (7 kits) Gloomspite Gitz (1 kit) Legions of Nagash (1 kit) Armies with the most Non-Plastic Kits (Most to Least) Skaven (13 kits) Seraphon (12 kits) Ogor Mawtribes (8 kits) Beasts of Chaos (7 kits) Legions of Nagash (6 kits) Blades of Khorne (4 kits) Maggotkin of Nurgle (4 kits) Slaves to Darkness (4 kits) Disciples of Tzeentch (3 kits) Gloomspite Gitz (3 kits) Orruk Warclans (3 kits) Flesh-Eater Courts (1 kit) Hedonites of Slaanesh (1 kit) Sylvaneth (1 kit) Armies with the Fewest Total Kits (Least to Most) Daughters of Khaine (6 kits) Flesh-Eater Courts (8 kits) Fyreslayers (10 kits) Idoneth Deepkin (12 kits) Hedonites of Slaanesh (13 kits) Kharadron Overlords (13 kits) Sylvaneth (14 kits) Orruk Warclans (14 kits) Ossiarch Bonereapers (16 kits) Ogor Mawtribes (17 kits) Disciples of Tzeentch (21 kits) Maggotkin of Nurgle (21 kits) Nighthaunt (21 kits) Seraphon (22 kits) Legions of Nagash (24 kits) Beasts of Chaos (25 kits) Gloomspite Gitz (25 kits) Blades of Khorne (26 kits) Skaven (31 kits) Slaves to Darkness (32 kits) Cities of Sigmar (35 kits) Stormcast Eternals (37 kits) Armies with the Fewest Warscrolls (Least to Most) Daughters of Khaine (15 warscrolls) Idoneth Deepkin (15 warscrolls) Kharadron Overlords (15 warscrolls) Fyreslayers (18 warscrolls) Flesh-Eater Courts (19 warscrolls) Orruk Warclans (19 warscrolls) Ossiarch Bonereapers (21 warscrolls) Sylvaneth (21 warscrolls) Hedonites of Slaanesh (22 warscrolls) Ogor Mawtribes (23 warscrolls) Maggotkin of Nurgle (25 warscrolls) Nighthaunt (26 warscrolls) Seraphon (27 warscrolls) Beasts of Chaos (32 warscrolls) Disciples of Tzeentch (32 warscrolls) Legions of Nagash (34 warscrolls) Blades of Khorne (38 warscrolls) Slaves to Darkness (39 warscrolls) Gloomspite Gitz (42 warscrolls) Skaven (43 warscrolls) Stormcast Eternals (54 warscrolls) Cities of Sigmar (59 warscrolls) Top 15 Oldest Kit Releases Still in Circulation (Oldest to Newest) Skaven - Skryre Acolytes (April 1994) Skaven - Warpfire Thrower (May 1995) Legions of Nagash - Bat Swarms (July 1997) Legions of Nagash - Legion Black Coach (June 1999) Legions of Nagash - Fell Bats & Zombies (July 1999) Orruk Warclans - Wardokk (December 2000) Skaven - Night Runners (March 2002) Skaven - Warlock Engineer, Ratling Gun & Warplock Jezzails (April 2002) Skaven - Gutter Runners & Rat Swarms (May 2002) Slaves to Darkness - Chaos Marauders (June 2002) Maggotkin of Nurgle - Harbinger of Decay (August 2002) Disciples of Tzeentch - Fatemaster (September 2002) Seraphon - Slaan Starmaster, Chameleon Skinks, Saurus Warriors & Skinks (May 2003) Seraphon - Skink Handlers & Salamanders (June 2003) Seraphon - Lord Kroak (July 2003) I hope all these different metrics are useful for the rumourmongering and wishlisting!

I agree with novakai. While it is disappointing that you did not get scenery, dice, or spells, Ironjawz (as part of Orruk Warclans) also got no scenery, dice, or spells. You however, did get a new kit/scroll in the Endrinmaster with Dirigible Suit with Aether War, so its not like you didn't get anything. Your model range is also much more diverse than that of Ironjawz: Kharadron has 3 troop kits for 4 warscrolls. Ironjawz have 3 troop kits for 3 warscrolls. Kharadron have 6 hero kits (including the one from Aether War) for 6 warscrolls. Ironjawz have 4 hero kits for 5 warscrolls. Both factions have a single Warhammer Underworlds warband kit. Kharadron have 3 ship kits. So overall, Kharadron have 13 kits and 15 warscrolls, Ironjawz have 8 kits and 9 warscrolls. Its clear Kharadron have the more diverse range. Kharadron kits are also newer, with an average release date of August 2017. The average release date for Ironjawz kits is May 2015. If you include the Bonesplitterz units for the complete Orruk Warclans options: Bonesplitterz have 2 troop kits for 6 warscrolls Bonesplitterz have 4 hero kits for 4 warscrolls (3 resin kits) This brings Orruk Warclans to 14 kits and 19 warscrolls, which is only one more kit than Kharadron. (Average release date drops to November 2012 though). However, given the resin kits present in Bonesplitterz, one of which is from twenty years ago (Wardokk is from 2000), and the fact that Warclans got nothing with their release, not even a new hero in a battlebox like Kharadron, I don't think you have the right to complain about lack of support. The rules for both factions seem pretty good tho, so its not all bad news.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/04/reveals-from-the-new-year-open-day-2020gw-homepage-post-1/ Nagash vs Archaon supplement Ogre warband Warcry things we've already seen

I'm hoping for a Seraphon teaser trailer at the open day, akin to the Halloween gloomspite one