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New editions also mean they get to resell every army's battletome all over again.

Nurgle is also one of those factions that already has five thousand heroes to choose from. They need units, not another single model sorcerer or whatever. I would like to see something akin to Plague Toads reimagined and in plastic.

With only a few months remaining before the drums of 4th edition start rumbling, I'm curious if we'll see any indications of future changes with the final Dawnbringer books.

99% chance we don't get alternating activations, but I'll keep arguing for it until we do. At some point in the future we'll get a rotten edition of the game, it's inevitable, but the total revamp after that might induct alternating activations.

For those who end up disappointed with Old World... Conquest is pretty cool...just saying.

40k models always win "model of the year" simply because it has way more players. More players means more votes. The voting process should definitely separate the two games. You'd of course align sub-games with the appropriate system (e.g., Warcry for AoS, Killteam for 40K, etc.).

I don't see any bad rules here. A good sign for FEC players.

A Flagellant-themed Warcry warband would be cool.

I'm not as optimistic with battletomes; each one is their own beast. They've had 3 shots at fixing Slaanesh and have failed every time. The only guarantees of AoS are that if you're an Order battletome, you'll probably be okay. GW rules writers love Order.

This and a new edition on the horizon just make me think about how Kruelboyz were shot in the back of the head by the sheer incompetence of their rules writing. For 3 years they've struggled to be at all relevant, and I honestly forget they exist sometimes, despite having had a KB army when they first launched. That's just how few people collect/play them. I think they're a prime example of the "do rules matter?" argument. And to no one's surprise, yeah, yeah they do. Let's hope the 4th ed launch turns out a little better for the new guys.

Yeah there's no way they went from draft to finalized design in a single day. That would imply they never tested any of it or made any changes--which is just about impossible. Most consumers don't know the amount of work it takes to write mechanically sound and legible rules.

I've found that a majority of the people who make fun of AoS know nothing about it other than it has "sigmarines" and "has bad rules". Ignorance and blind hatred hide in every corner of humanity's interests. Best not to get too riled up by it and just enjoy life as best you can.

Had this feeling after assembling the new Gorgers. Those models are way cooler (and bigger) up close.

TRIUMPH & TREACHERY RETURNS?! Holy **** that's the most exciting news of the night.

The bone dragon is the first thing I've seen from Old World that impresses me. Probably because it leans way more into the AoS design than Fantasy. All of the FEC stuff is great. Ushoran is ten times cooler than I thought he would be.

Is this information you know first-hand or something you've heard?

Yeah I'm never reading another PCGamer review if this is their seal of quality. His review was a joke flecked with massive prejudice against the setting. I'll bet my salary that the dude knows zero-to-nothing about AoS. Why the hell would you give the AoS game to someone who vehemently hates AoS?

Damn. He was a paragon of Warhammer art for AoS. Just so everyone knows, he's the guy that did the outstanding covers for the 3rd Ed core book, the Ogre tome, the Dok tomes, and the pinnacle of artistry that has yet to be toppled, the Soulblight cover. And of course others... With him gone I'm slightly concerned about the art we'll see going forward.

That's a different discussion. Ballistic Skill isn't a stat that you compare with your opponent. It's literally "to hit" but with a reference number. Man I wish. That's never going to happen unless they go through another cataclysmic revamp of one of their systems. 10th edition 40k was a huge shift, and they stood their ground on the "I-go, you-go" design. I think it's too intrinsic to how Warhammer has always been played, and GW has always been a bit stubborn with their rules writing. Maybe in 5-10 years?

As someone who played Fantasy in the old days, Ballistic Skill is a terrible game design concept. It's an arbitrary number that forces you to remember/reference the ACTUAL number you need to roll to hit. It's the epitome of complexity for complexity's sake. It should just be (n)+ to hit. We learned this long ago. Obviously, it's not a huge deal, but to me it just screams of leaning harder on the nostalgia bait rather than trying to reinvent a better game out of a ragged, mediocre one. Don't even get me started on the "rerolling higher BS" ******.

Willing to bet that at least half of the population clamoring for Old World are people who never played WHFB but are deeply invested in Total War.

Because these narrative stories rarely portray them as anything more than endlessly raging mooks. It's similar to how humans/Cities are almost defined by their role as cannon fodder. Technically they both have intricate societies and motivations, but you'd never know it most of the time.

I'm a die-hard Destruction player, and I actually like Kragnos. He needs better lore than just "argh, me angry, me smash," but at least he's an attempt at something more creative for the Destro alliance. Even I'm sick of seeing the exact same orcs/gobbos/giants/etc. we've been inundated with for decades. Kragnos 9/10, Lore 3/10.

Big Waagh is the opposite. It's the high life for Orruks. They get to cherry pick all of the best units from the others and use them with great allegiance abilities. Big Waagh drags down the other subfactions by making it difficult to balance them without lifting BW into the stratosphere.

The most egregious slap in the face was them releasing an awesome new Avatar of Khaine with Eldar, but not giving it any rules for DoK...despite them also having the Avatar of Khaine. But no, we're stuck with the tiny T-posing idiot.