Hannibal Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 On 23.8.2017 at 10:36 AM, Paul Buckler said: So my List is Endrinmaster - Prospector, Repeater Khemist - Trumpet Khemist 20 Arks with hooks 20 Arks with hooks 10 Arks with hooks 6 Riggers cannon and grapple 6 Wardens cannon and grapple Ironclad - Last word Leaves me 100 spare Hi Paul, I´m fairly new to the Overlords (in fact I´m just glueing together my first minis) and I like to ask you some questions to your list: 1. What is the task of your Endrinmaster? On paper he really doesn´t impress me much. 2. All Ships seem to be hugely expensive. You field a Ironclad, which is the most expensive one. Why? What is the plan behind fielding ships? Is it possible to run an Overlords army without any ships? 3. Is there any list building advice you like to share? Are there any common synergies I have to look at? 4. What is the main reason to run Urbaz? Thanks in advance Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 10 hours ago, Hannibal said: Hi Paul, I´m fairly new to the Overlords (in fact I´m just glueing together my first minis) and I like to ask you some questions to your list: 1. What is the task of your Endrinmaster? On paper he really doesn´t impress me much. 2. All Ships seem to be hugely expensive. You field a Ironclad, which is the most expensive one. Why? What is the plan behind fielding ships? Is it possible to run an Overlords army without any ships? 3. Is there any list building advice you like to share? Are there any common synergies I have to look at? 4. What is the main reason to run Urbaz? Thanks in advance Steven No problems Steven. 1. I find he is great all around, Firstly he heals my Ironclad d3, which means I basically can take dammed terrrain every go if possible and lose no wounds. Secondly with teh repeater he has 3 shots, so can really do ranged threat, and with 3 attacks at possibly damage 3 he can also do some hurt. 6 wounds is also really good and makes him a bit more survivable. 2. yes you can and I think that is the high end 'meta'. But Arkanaughts are all about the skyships so why would you not! The model is proabbly one of the best GW have ever produced imo. As for Ironclad rather than frigate. - More wounds MUCH better weapons and higher capacity, if you are going 1 ship and not the ballon spam then Ironclad is my choice. 3. For me I like an all rounder list, so some of lots of units, that let me do womething in every phase. Some combat, some movement, and shooting being a focal point. Weirdly Overlords are not a huge synergy army, its mostly just khemist buffs. If the ships were a tad cheaper you might see more in a list so ironclad command abilities would come in to play more. 4. Double buff, with a mix of units 2 khemists doing the work of 4 really helps me. As I wasn't stacking before the FAQ I was basically enhancing 4 units anyway, so urbaz seemed the logical choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 28.8.2017 at 4:41 PM, Paul Buckler said: I Thanks for your reply! Balanced or mixed forces that allow to do something in every phase is the way I use to build armies too. Let's say you wanted to run the most competetive list you can think of, what would it look like? Regarding the skyport. The one that allows for "deep striking" a skyvessel also interests me, though I think Urbaz is the strongest for any kind of mixed force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 Currently the zilfin list, is the prevelant one, which is A boat, min arkanaughts and lots of balloons. Personally I think no boat is better. Something like, whatever they won't win an event atm, you're looking a maybe a podium with ag ood draw but top 10 with a decent one. Allegiance: Kharadron OverlordsSkyport: Barak-Urbaz- Additional Footnote: There's No Trading With Some PeopleArkanaut AdmiralAether-KhemistAether-Khemist40 x Arkanaut Company- 12x Light Skyhooks20 x Arkanaut Company- 6x Light Skyhooks20 x Arkanaut Company- 6x Light Skyhooks9 x Endrinriggers (360)- 2x Grapnel Launchers6 x Endrinriggers (240)- 1x Grapnel LaunchersTotal: 1980/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Once more: thanks for your reply. It's funny that your most competetive list consists of just the 4 unit types that pulled me into Overlords. Seems to be good. On the other hand I don't like playing maxed out lists when I play with friends... Guess I have to include a skyvessel then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Hello, I'd like to know if the rriggers/wardes when equiped with grapnel launchers are equiped with any shooting weapon. I'd also like to know whin 1k list will you prepare takin onto account the point values in the new generals habdbook. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 And one mores question.. what use/ usefullnes do you think that skywardens have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stato Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Hi Hernan, grapnels only have grapnels, no other pistol or anything. In melee they have the 'gun butt' attack. I have a unit of skywardens as well as riggers as the 2" reach on the pikes I think will be invaluable once our Khemists buff is removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Hernan said: Hello, I'd like to know if the rriggers/wardes when equiped with grapnel launchers are equiped with any shooting weapon. I'd also like to know whin 1k list will you prepare takin onto account the point values in the new generals habdbook. Thanks! Yes as stated grapnels replace the missile weapon, so they are in the unit to do the movement trick. Wardens I find good for clearing out the horde chaff units with less of a save. they have an extra attack basic and the 2" reach 1K list would depend on where I was going to play tbh. Probably the 1K list I used for doubles less 3 wardens, and then I have 60 pts spare so prob add in a gryph hound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Game 57 vs @Binx Scenario Total Conquest First game of blackout, I had a grudge vs @Binx. He was rocking Slaneesh using the new traits, which I knew would be a tough matchup. The speed of his army was really good, everything getting plus 2 or plus 1 to move and charge. I am not sure what he had, but you can read his exploits here Will do short summaries for blackout along with conclusions as It was a while ago and I was drinking! He deployed to cover left hand objectives I got the right. I gave him turn 1, and he moved up playing for the double. I shot off chariots early, but not a lot else as he deployed wisely and not much was in range. He got the double turn and hit my lines (charged 11,11,12,12 I think!), doing some damage but not as much as I expected. However he did grab the RH one on his board edge away from me for 2 points. I killed a lot of stuff, my go, but he managed to roll 2 1's for his demon banners and regrow from the last model, which cost me points as he still contested objectives. He was 2 points up at end turn 3 and just retreated back to defend his points. Had I got a double turn 3-4 I think I may have been able to steal one, but it was never to be and it ended in a Major loss. Result: Major Loss Conclusions: They are quick! Got to my lines really fast, with a high volume of attacks. I think with a double turn my way I could have sneaked a win at some point, but overall @Binx just played really well and made no mistakes. Like the new allegiance abilities think they add real flavour to the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binx Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Thanks Paul, good summary. Was a good game and I learnt quickly how good the Khardron guns are! Double turn for you would have given me trouble. Double turn for me after the monster charges and you wouldn't have had much infantry left. Look forward to our next encounter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Paul Buckler said: Yes as stated grapnels replace the missile weapon, so they are in the unit to do the movement trick. Wardens I find good for clearing out the horde chaff units with less of a save. they have an extra attack basic and the 2" reach 1K list would depend on where I was going to play tbh. Probably the 1K list I used for doubles less 3 wardens, and then I have 60 pts spare so prob add in a gryph hound Great, thanks for your answer. In that case, do you thin it will be profitable to have, for example two units of riggers, each one with one model with grapnels? My 1k list is: arkanaut frigate, 2x10 company, lne aether khemist, 2x3 riggers and 1x3 wardens. Urbaz sky port. How do you see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Depends how you are using them, you could do 6 with 2 grapnels if you think you need the 2 chances of a 4 up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I use them for both.. shooting and nelee fighting (thats why i preffer them than skywardens), but I also like their ability of repairing a skyvessel. I'm trying to determine what might be better against a sylvaneth army that uses kurnoth hunter with bow (30" range) and also being inside wildwood trees (which gives them +1 save and -1 to enemies distance weapon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 That's a decent well rounded list, should do OK at 1K vs Sylvaneth. Have to be careful the Khemist isn't shot off when he gets out of the boat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Great thabks. Do you think it will be profitable to include the grappels or that it will be better to keep the wardens/riggers with its full weapon options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 I like grapnels, so would always take them. Rem though I am not writing 'optimal' lists so just take stuff cos its cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, Paul Buckler said: That's a decent well rounded list, should do OK at 1K vs Sylvaneth. Have to be careful the Khemist isn't shot off when he gets out of the boat though. Thanks!! 34 minutes ago, Paul Buckler said: I like grapnels, so would always take them. Rem though I am not writing 'optimal' lists so just take stuff cos its cool Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 One more question.. what would you suggest to kill any unit with hight wounds and save atribute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Buckler Posted September 7, 2017 Author Share Posted September 7, 2017 Skyhooks and/or riggers with a khemist buff work well. finish it off with no trading with some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FractalRain Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Paul Buckler said: Skyhooks and/or riggers with a khemist buff work well. finish it off with no trading with some people. I agree with Paul here! Also, remember you get +1 to hit with Arknaughts against heroes and monsters! Very important! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Duento what is the +1? I'm pretty new with KO (indeed in AOS) so I don't remember always all rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FractalRain Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Hernan said: Duento what is the +1? I'm pretty new with KO (indeed in AOS) so I don't remember always all rules Not sure if you were asking for clarification, but normally the Arknaughts hit on a roll of 4+ with their weapons, however, when targeting a hero or monster, they get +1 to hit, so they can hit on a roll of 3+ (unless there are other modifiers). Makes them really good monster/hero hunters, especially with the skyhooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 When Ichoose a sky port, do I have also one allegiance ability? Or I only do have the abilities of the sky port + one extra footnote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 14 hours ago, Hernan said: When Ichoose a sky port, do I have also one allegiance ability? Or I only do have the abilities of the sky port + one extra footnote? The second one. A named skyport gives you some really strong abilities you won´t get otherwise. That´s the trade. Though you still get your artifact(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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