Malakithe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yeah I really want to know the final wording on all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iradekhorne Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I want build my fatesworn warband, and tzaangors arround him :(. But i can't use any mortal baltallion if i want use the tzeentch alliegiance... so mad >< I'm not going to buy any tzeentch stuff anymore. Cause i dont want kick off my mortals, i love that guys, i bought halberds, acolites, all the new heroes from silver tower and some old. And i want bull 30 tzaangors and 2x skyfires, 2x enlightened. But now i stop buy anything from tzeentch, waiting to GW words. They really need clarify this cause the new books of khorne, nurgle and slaanesh probably have the same format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete_P Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 You can use your Tzeentch mortal stuff just fine, you just can't use the battalions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Refer to the Let's Chat thread. We can use any battalion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradifer Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Can I get a opinion on this list: Leaders Lord Of Change (300) General Trait: Magical Supremacy - Tzeentch Daemon Hero Artefact: Pyrofyre Stave (For the ranged rod) Daemon Prince Of Tzeentch (160) Axe Tzaangor Shaman (120) Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (120) Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 20 x Tzaangors (360) 4x Pair of Savage Blades 8x Savage Greatblade Units 6 x Tzaangor Skyfires (320) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160) Battalions Tzaangor Coven (40) Total: 1860/2000 140 Summoning. Seekers of Slaanesh, Blue horrors, Brimstone Horrors, Plaguebearers Daemon Prince is easily dropped but I had him pre-Tzeentch battletome. Lord of Change can be switched to Baleful Sword + Incorporeal Form + Phantasmal/Sentient weapon. Any thoughts what she be added or removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'm trying to build a list similar to this that mixes Tzaangors into daemons. Hard to nail down something I like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradifer Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Daemon Prince of Tzeentch vs. Ogroid Thaurmaturge Both 160 point, hero, wizard, melee fighters. Should we discuss which we think is objectively better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 My vote is for Ogroid. Only thing the Prince has over it is flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueguy203 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Hello All new to the site and also new to Tzeentch but i have been working on a Arcanite Tzeentch list and want to get your opinion on it. Tactics below Allegiance: Tzeentch Leaders Tzaangor Shaman (120) - General - Command Trait : Arcane Sacrifice - Tzeentch Arcanite Hero - Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (120) - Artefact : Souldraught - Lore of Fate : Shield of Fate - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (120) - Artefact : Souldraught - Lore of Change : Fold Reality Units 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) - 6 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 8 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 6 x Cursed Glaive 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) - 6 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 8 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 6 x Cursed Glaive 10 x Kairic Acolytes (140) - 3 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 4 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 3 x Cursed Glaive 20 x Tzaangors (360) - 8 x Pair of Savage Blades - 4 x Savage Greatblade - 8 x Savage Blade & Arcanite Shield 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160) 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) Battalions Arcanite Cabal (50) Alter-kin Coven (20) Witchfyre Coven (60) The Pyrofane Cult (80) Total: 2000/2000 Leaders: 3/6 Battlelines: 4 (3+) Behemoths: 0/4 Artillery: 0/4 Tactics: General Shaman- Being near either a throwawy unit of Acolytes or the Tzaangors, doing the D3 wounds and with the boosted up range and the +1 to cast from Shaman #3 cast Tzeentch Firestorm and then follow it up with the Flickering Fires to Maximize damage to my oppts units. Shaman #2- playing the support role and use spells like fold reality to help support the Skyfires/Elightened tzaangors and the Blue horrors. Shamen#3- Support role, he is to hang around the blocks of troops and cast both Mystic shield and shield of fate specifically on the Tzaangors (once they are in combat) otherwise we are buffing 2 units of Acolytes Kairic Acolytes- Shooting twice either focusing on something that needs to die (all buffed with the help of the Shamans and warbands) or spreading it our to wear down troops. Tzaangors- get into combat and kick some ass nuff said... Tzaangor Elightened- Support charge and also to act as a temporary block for units i do not want charging me yet Skyfires- Character Snipe and also support the Acolytes in shooting things dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denneysman Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Malakithe said: My vote is for Ogroid. Only thing the Prince has over it is flying the prince is a little bit better at fighting over all then the Ogroid, but the Ogroid can heal. So it's really a toss up. Think when it comes to these two your not wrong picking either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Wow that's a lot of Acolytes lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDuff Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Nice to see an Acolyes hoard army, and nice weapon diversity. I found the Tzaangors even more time consuming to paint, so blueguy has his work cut out for him. I'd love to know how effective his list is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Well even drowning the opponent in bodies will probably work well enough lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changer Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 15 hours ago, Bradifer said: Can I get a opinion on this list: Leaders Lord Of Change (300) General Trait: Magical Supremacy - Tzeentch Daemon Hero Artefact: Pyrofyre Stave (For the ranged rod) Daemon Prince Of Tzeentch (160) Axe Tzaangor Shaman (120) Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (120) Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140) 20 x Tzaangors (360) 4x Pair of Savage Blades 8x Savage Greatblade Units 6 x Tzaangor Skyfires (320) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160) Battalions Tzaangor Coven (40) Total: 1860/2000 140 Summoning. Seekers of Slaanesh, Blue horrors, Brimstone Horrors, Plaguebearers Daemon Prince is easily dropped but I had him pre-Tzeentch battletome. Lord of Change can be switched to Baleful Sword + Incorporeal Form + Phantasmal/Sentient weapon. Any thoughts what she be added or removed? This is pretty much my list, except I use the Ogroid instead of the Daemon Prince and use the missing 140 points by adding 20 blue horrors and 10 brimstone horrors on the table. I find that these 'chaff' units are handy for blocking charges etc... Note that you can't actually summon blue or brimstone horrors, so you'll only be placing them down when pinks die. In these situations you may find that you're not using your points effectively because you'll have to pay 50 points for blue horrors whether you split into 2 or 10 models. How does the Daemon Prince fair? I'm thinking about swapping my Ogroid out for something else - either a Daemon Prince or a 120 point hero and another 10 Brimstones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 11 hours ago, blueguy203 said: Hello All new to the site and also new to Tzeentch but i have been working on a Arcanite Tzeentch list and want to get your opinion on it. Tactics below Allegiance: Tzeentch Leaders Tzaangor Shaman (120) - General - Command Trait : Arcane Sacrifice - Tzeentch Arcanite Hero - Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (120) - Artefact : Souldraught - Lore of Fate : Shield of Fate - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (120) - Artefact : Souldraught - Lore of Change : Fold Reality Units 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) - 6 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 8 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 6 x Cursed Glaive 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) - 6 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 8 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 6 x Cursed Glaive 10 x Kairic Acolytes (140) - 3 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 4 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 3 x Cursed Glaive 20 x Tzaangors (360) - 8 x Pair of Savage Blades - 4 x Savage Greatblade - 8 x Savage Blade & Arcanite Shield 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160) 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) Battalions Arcanite Cabal (50) Alter-kin Coven (20) Witchfyre Coven (60) The Pyrofane Cult (80) Total: 2000/2000 Leaders: 3/6 Battlelines: 4 (3+) Behemoths: 0/4 Artillery: 0/4 Tactics: General Shaman- Being near either a throwawy unit of Acolytes or the Tzaangors, doing the D3 wounds and with the boosted up range and the +1 to cast from Shaman #3 cast Tzeentch Firestorm and then follow it up with the Flickering Fires to Maximize damage to my oppts units. Shaman #2- playing the support role and use spells like fold reality to help support the Skyfires/Elightened tzaangors and the Blue horrors. Shamen#3- Support role, he is to hang around the blocks of troops and cast both Mystic shield and shield of fate specifically on the Tzaangors (once they are in combat) otherwise we are buffing 2 units of Acolytes Kairic Acolytes- Shooting twice either focusing on something that needs to die (all buffed with the help of the Shamans and warbands) or spreading it our to wear down troops. Tzaangors- get into combat and kick some ass nuff said... Tzaangor Elightened- Support charge and also to act as a temporary block for units i do not want charging me yet Skyfires- Character Snipe and also support the Acolytes in shooting things dead. That is an impressive amount of battalions in a 2k list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimstone Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 17 hours ago, Bradifer said: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch vs. Ogroid Thaurmaturge Both 160 point, hero, wizard, melee fighters. Should we discuss which we think is objectively better? i'm currently using the Ogroid bonded to a unit of 20-30 brimstones. He can take a big hit and still be standing at the end of it. Plus he regenerates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoloMcFury Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 18 hours ago, Bradifer said: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch vs. Ogroid Thaurmaturge Both 160 point, hero, wizard, melee fighters. Should we discuss which we think is objectively better? My vote goes to the Ogroid, just because of his profile spell. D6 MW is no joke. His horn attack also heavily benefits from Arcane Transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueguy203 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Thanks all for the kudos and Mcduff thanks for the warning lol. I'll keep you posted on its performance as I look to fight against a few of my brothers who also play. Definitely want to see how it holds up against the vamp list with nefereta and a Morgul. I think I may have better toOlsen to get the job done. Malakieth, I too was impressed that I was able to make it work and that we have those large Battalions available at 2k. I'll keep a paintingredients Blog and battle reports open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillz Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 i think they need to come out with an FAQ to really help us hone in on what would be the most competitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Quote i think they need to come out with an FAQ to really help us hone in on what would be the most competitive Here are the FAQs we are using for our event - London's Calling 2017 - 1-2 April 2017: Many of these pertain to DoT unsurprisingly. I should add that tickets are still available if anyone would like to try out their new DoT armies - it's an official warm up event for SCGT using their pack and battleplans (plus our FAQ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 What's your list for that event @Nico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Quote What's your list for that event @Nico It's still up in the air. It will not be DoT (as the expanded army is being built/painted). I do have the painted Little Archaon within Fatesworn army, but would want to add to that. I'm still: Building the Kairics, Tzaangors (amazing models). Building 3 Flaming Chariots; and converting Flaming Chariots to regular Chariots. Converting Bestigor into Chosen of Tzeentch Converting a Mounted Sorceror a Lord with Reaperblade and a Lord/Sorceror on Manticore. I also have 3 little birdies to paint: The base for Billy is coming soon. The EDG of Slaanesh needs to be built and The Glottkin will be converted into number 4. Would be fun to summon them all in as a DoT list (probably not very competitive, but awesome). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueguy203 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 That's some pretty interesting FAQ for that tourney, not sure how to feel about it though, the changling is a model i have not thought about bringing into the army. Mortal wound rolls i kinds figured that was legal, the rest really didnt change much for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Hi all, about @Bradiferlist: We have to pay when orrors split?i matched play I mean, if yes.. I think you can use that points for brimston ecc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pannben Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 On 2017-03-09 at 11:58 PM, blueguy203 said: Hello All new to the site and also new to Tzeentch but i have been working on a Arcanite Tzeentch list and want to get your opinion on it. Tactics below Allegiance: Tzeentch Leaders Tzaangor Shaman (120) - General - Command Trait : Arcane Sacrifice - Tzeentch Arcanite Hero - Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (120) - Artefact : Souldraught - Lore of Fate : Shield of Fate - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (120) - Artefact : Souldraught - Lore of Change : Fold Reality Units 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) - 6 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 8 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 6 x Cursed Glaive 20 x Kairic Acolytes (280) - 6 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 8 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 6 x Cursed Glaive 10 x Kairic Acolytes (140) - 3 x Pair of Cursed Blades - 4 x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield - 3 x Cursed Glaive 20 x Tzaangors (360) - 8 x Pair of Savage Blades - 4 x Savage Greatblade - 8 x Savage Blade & Arcanite Shield 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (160) 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) Battalions Arcanite Cabal (50) Alter-kin Coven (20) Witchfyre Coven (60) The Pyrofane Cult (80) Total: 2000/2000 Leaders: 3/6 Battlelines: 4 (3+) Behemoths: 0/4 Artillery: 0/4 Tactics: General Shaman- Being near either a throwawy unit of Acolytes or the Tzaangors, doing the D3 wounds and with the boosted up range and the +1 to cast from Shaman #3 cast Tzeentch Firestorm and then follow it up with the Flickering Fires to Maximize damage to my oppts units. Shaman #2- playing the support role and use spells like fold reality to help support the Skyfires/Elightened tzaangors and the Blue horrors. Shamen#3- Support role, he is to hang around the blocks of troops and cast both Mystic shield and shield of fate specifically on the Tzaangors (once they are in combat) otherwise we are buffing 2 units of Acolytes Kairic Acolytes- Shooting twice either focusing on something that needs to die (all buffed with the help of the Shamans and warbands) or spreading it our to wear down troops. Tzaangors- get into combat and kick some ass nuff said... Tzaangor Elightened- Support charge and also to act as a temporary block for units i do not want charging me yet Skyfires- Character Snipe and also support the Acolytes in shooting things dead. Am I missing something, acolytes have to be atleast 20 per unit In the pyrofane cult no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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