Dracothjay Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Hey guys, made a list last night to be competitive and to also bring some balance and control. Would love to hear some advice on alterations i could make. I haven't gone for a formation as i wanted to load my army out for sheer volume. Lord Celestant - +1 extra attack + -1 Rend Knight Vexillor Knight Venator Lord Castellant Judicators X 5- Battle line Judicators X 5- Battle line Liberators X 5 - Battle line Liberators X 5 - Battle line Paladin Retributors X 10 - 4 Maces Protectors X 5 - 2 maces Decimators X 5 - 2 maces Prosecutors X 3 Hammers 1960/2000 So, my plan is to be able to facilitate any scenario, be it objective holding, objective taking, all out battle or what ever is thrown at me. For my Battle line, i threw in an extra unit of Liberators to bulk up objective play, but i'm wondering if i should drop that 100 points, which i would then have 140 points to play with and try and squeeze an extra hero in. My Lord selection is an obvious synergy, but Knight Venator is there to try and solo some characters with his one shot or to harass units in conjuction with Judicators and Prosecutors. Thoughts guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Get a Vexillor. 10 Paladins aren't going to do anything at movement 4. Your opponent will just avoid them. You don't have enough shooting to bunker up behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracothjay Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Already got a Vexillor mate, its in the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 My Derp - sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracothjay Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louzi Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 In my opinion the best of SE is their cool battalions. So you waste pretty much the best part of SE. Also those Battalions make you mobile. If you REALLY want to stick with the idea not using Battalions you will need Dracothian Guards. And: I dont think that you can beat other competetive lists, if you dont have at least 1 very powerful modell, e.g. Celestant Prime or Stardrake. Overall nice list, but not competetive at all. SE-Lists are likely that on tournaments: - Stardrake - Castellant - Vexillor - 4 Fulminators/Concussors (maybe 10 Retributors) - ~ 20 Judicators Think about, how you can beat that. Your list wont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracothjay Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 When you say 20 Judicators i take it thats the complete Battle line? If so, i had thoughts of dropping all Liberators and replacing them for more Judicators. But, i see your point. I do have a Celestant Prime almost painted so i will look to use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darin Paul Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I really like the idea of getting liberators into combat and following up with judicators with crossbows or tempestors sitting outside of combat lighting up the enemy unit with more crossbows and dracoth breath. Liberators are pretty durable with their shield and in groups of ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 11 hours ago, Dracothjay said: +1 extra attack + -1 Rend Have you got 2 artefacts without a formation or am I missing something? A battle trait granting 1 attack maybe. Should double check my ghb. Which I did, I have done that, that is done and read... following along now 100% Carry on. Feedback on list: I've models and lists quite like it. What I have in addition that I try to shoehorn in is 2 x concussors and a LCoSD. I think the comment by Louzi is maybe quite accurate. Your list is balanced and I think will do well but against someone's 'I took only the best' list it'll probably be a challenge. Still, that's the thing - do you fight fire with fire or decide the fun you're going to have will be: how do I counter those 'took the best' lists with what I've got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 16 hours ago, Louzi said: In my opinion the best of SE is their cool battalions. So you waste pretty much the best part of SE. Also those Battalions make you mobile. If you REALLY want to stick with the idea not using Battalions you will need Dracothian Guards. And: I dont think that you can beat other competetive lists, if you dont have at least 1 very powerful modell, e.g. Celestant Prime or Stardrake. Overall nice list, but not competetive at all. SE-Lists are likely that on tournaments: - Stardrake - Castellant - Vexillor - 4 Fulminators/Concussors (maybe 10 Retributors) - ~ 20 Judicators Think about, how you can beat that. Your list wont... Hello. I fail to see the point of the vexilor here as i see nothing worth of teleporting, maybe the dracoth but they are mobile enough already. is it necessary to have that much judicators? Kozokus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louzi Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 If you dont have a battalion that allows you to deep strike, you should always take the Vexillor, because: - you have to reach those nasty key models of your opponent that will be protected behind alot of battleline or - reach a objective in the last moment or - to make sure the opponent missiles will concentrate on Vex and u will get in combat with full wounds Judicators are not cheap, but I think they are still the better battleline choice. They can hold objectives and still shoot those nasty little wizzards, priest etc. If you let hold a group of Liberators hold objective, thats pretty much a waste of points, because they wont help u at all and your opponent isnt that stupid to run in a group of 10 Liberators, if there are still objectives to get or other units to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Grimwood Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I might think of beefing up the Prosecutor unit to give a bit more mobility to the list. As it stands it seems to rely a bit on the banner to provide this. As cool as Protectors and Decimators are they seem a little superfluous considering the Retributor unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Grimwood Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'd also consider a battalion, I think you've got the units already for Skyborne Slayers in your list. That'd make sense to the Decimators/Protectors add more mobility and an extra Artifact and having some units immune to Battleshock is always good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracothjay Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 If you weren't to use a deep strike battalion, but opted to keep knight vexillor and 10 rets, what is the BEST compliment to add to this? Celestant prime? I really like battle line judicators, as louzi said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 12 hours ago, Louzi said: If you dont have a battalion that allows you to deep strike, you should always take the Vexillor, because: - you have to reach those nasty key models of your opponent that will be protected behind alot of battleline or - reach a objective in the last moment or - to make sure the opponent missiles will concentrate on Vex and u will get in combat with full wounds Judicators are not cheap, but I think they are still the better battleline choice. They can hold objectives and still shoot those nasty little wizzards, priest etc. If you let hold a group of Liberators hold objective, thats pretty much a waste of points, because they wont help u at all and your opponent isnt that stupid to run in a group of 10 Liberators, if there are still objectives to get or other units to kill. I admit my lack of vision. The ability to replace units is invaluable indeed and vexilor seems almost mandatory at any format unless your units already deepstrike. Kozokus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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