Splitting Horrors - Limitations

[PlasticCraic]

A question on Splitting Horrors, and when it is or is not possible.

The rules for Changehost (as per FAQ) state that the unit created has 2 models per slain model (not "up to" 2).  See below the FAQ in question, my emphasis:

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Page 123 – Blue Horrors of Tzeentch, Split
Change to:
‘Split: If a friendly unit of Pink Horrors suffers any
casualties during a hero, shooting or combat phase, the
slain Horrors will split and you can create Blue Horrors
at the end of the phase (after all other units have
performed their actions and made their attacks). Two
Blue Horrors are created for each slain Pink Horror – if
there is already a friendly Blue Horror unit within 6"
of the Pink Horrors, add the Blue Horrors to that unit,
otherwise set them up as a new unit wholly within 6" of
the unit of Pink Horrors.
If a rule causes a whole unit of Pink Horrors to be
removed at once (excluding battleshock), you can
immediately create a unit of Blue Horrors, just before
removing the last model from the Pink Horrors unit.
The unit of Blue Horrors has two models for each model
in the unit of Pink Horrors at the point at which it is
removed, and must be set up with all models wholly
within 6" of the last model from the Pink Horrors unit.
Note that in matched play, you can add models to an existing
unit of Blue Horrors even if doing so will increase it above its
starting size, up until the unit contains 10 models – any excess
Blue Horrors are then lost.’

So my question is, what happens if there are limitations on that?

1) 10 Pinks die, meaning you can create a unit of 20 Blues.  And you have for example 80 Reinforcement points left. 

You therefore do not have enough points for the unit of 20 that you can create.  Can you opt to create a unit of 10 (using 50 points) instead?

I'm reading this as "No", because the FAQ gives you the option to create or not create, but is prescriptive in the number you create if you do so.  It is 2 per slain model, not up to 2.  So it's pay for a unit of 20, or nothing.  What do other people think?

2) As above, 10 Pinks die, but this time you have 100 Reinforcement points remaining (enough for the full unit of 20).  However there is not space for all 20 to be placed on the board wholly within 6" of the last Pink (for example the Pinks were completely surrounded by enemy models).  

Again I have a similar question, could you opt to create an undersize unit in this case?  I'm thinking "Yes" in this case, because you pay the full Reinforcement points but just choose to deploy fewer models than you have paid for (same as any other time you field an undersize unit and pay the full points).

What do other people think?

[EMMachine]

3 hours ago, PlasticCraic said:

A question on Splitting Horrors, and when it is or is not possible.

The rules for Changehost (as per FAQ) state that the unit created has 2 models per slain model (not "up to" 2).  See below the FAQ in question, my emphasis:

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Page 123 – Blue Horrors of Tzeentch, Split
Change to:
‘Split: If a friendly unit of Pink Horrors suffers any
casualties during a hero, shooting or combat phase, the
slain Horrors will split and you can create Blue Horrors
at the end of the phase (after all other units have
performed their actions and made their attacks). Two
Blue Horrors are created for each slain Pink Horror – if
there is already a friendly Blue Horror unit within 6"
of the Pink Horrors, add the Blue Horrors to that unit,
otherwise set them up as a new unit wholly within 6" of
the unit of Pink Horrors.
If a rule causes a whole unit of Pink Horrors to be
removed at once (excluding battleshock), you can
immediately create a unit of Blue Horrors, just before
removing the last model from the Pink Horrors unit.
The unit of Blue Horrors has two models for each model
in the unit of Pink Horrors at the point at which it is
removed, and must be set up with all models wholly
within 6" of the last model from the Pink Horrors unit.
Note that in matched play, you can add models to an existing
unit of Blue Horrors even if doing so will increase it above its
starting size, up until the unit contains 10 models – any excess
Blue Horrors are then lost.’

 

1) 10 Pinks die, meaning you can create a unit of 20 Blues.  And you have for example 80 Reinforcement points left. 

You therefore do not have enough points for the unit of 20 that you can create.  Can you opt to create a unit of 10 (using 50 points) instead?

This is the way, the rules for Reinforcement Points would handle is

Generals Handbook 2017, Page 77, Reinforcement Points, Paragraph 3

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If there are not enough points in the pool to pay for the unit, you must either decrease the size of the unit unit you have enough points for it, or not use it at all. ...

 

[PlasticCraic]

Thanks @EMMachine

I guess that was written as a catch all for the many and varied summoning situations that stipulate a certain number of models that is / can be above minimum unit size. 

Makes sense.