PowerCreep Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Hey everyone, After a long process of choosing my army, I think i will go for seraphon, purely because of their looks and the fact that i love the lizardmen lore from WFB. Basically I want to buy a start collecting box plus gh 2 so I could get a few games in, and thats where my problems start: 1-How should I build my carnosaur kit, 2-How should i expand it to 1000 points.I know I get around 450 points (without converting a knight to a veteran), and would like to expand it with a slann (if possible) and not to cost TOO MUCH (65 euros or 55 pounds or 85 dollars using a third party website (I like Wayland games) for those 500 points.) Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Baumann Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I have been watching a few of these battle reports with a 1000 point Seraphon army based around a Carnosaur on wargameronline.com. There is a pretty cool girl (seen below) who runs them on there quite a bit and it might help you make some choices. One of the battles she uses whatever is painted (vs Ironjaws) but on some of them makes more tactical choices for her army. You can watch a few of them and get a lot of ideas on how to supplement your focal point (the carnosaur) and also see what was effective for that model (she took some pretty good artifacts that gave him some pretty good saves, let him heal a wound or more, and buff his sauron warriors too in the Skaven one). Skinks should not be overlooked and the Chameleon Skinks offer a cool deep-strike ability (and I personally love chameleons anyways). One caveat, these are all based off of GHB-01 so some things will be different such as abilities and artifacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Travis Baumann said: I have been watching a few of these battle reports with a 1000 point Seraphon army based around a Carnosaur on wargameronline.com. There is a pretty cool girl (seen below) who runs them on there quite a bit and it might help you make some choices. One of the battles she uses whatever is painted (vs Ironjaws) but on some of them makes more tactical choices for her army. You can watch a few of them and get a lot of ideas on how to supplement your focal point (the carnosaur) and also see what was effective for that model (she took some pretty good artifacts that gave him some pretty good saves, let him heal a wound or more, and buff his sauron warriors too in the Skaven one). Skinks should not be overlooked and the Chameleon Skinks offer a cool deep-strike ability (and I personally love chameleons anyways). One caveat, these are all based off of GHB-01 so some things will be different such as abilities and artifacts. A bit expansive for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Baumann Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 How so? Just watch the beginning then where she explains what her forces are.. you don't need to watch the whole battle but I do recommend it if you are going to drop the cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 NO I wathced them adn i can't afford such armies in terms of cash I am a teen adn those armies seem a bit too expansive for just 1000 points even though they are cool So i kinds came up with this list, tell me what you think: Bloodclaw Starhost-(100 points, I think?) Firelance Starhost-100 points Saurus Oldblood on a Carnosaur-280 points blade of realities general Saurus s.v. on a cold one-100 points (I think?) Saurus oldblood on foot- 120 points 1 unit of 20 s.w.- 200 points 3 units of 5 knights-300 points Trog.-220 points (I think?) Total: 1420 points (but I am sure I got one or two point costs wrong) What do you think, 75 pounds using a third party website plus 20 on paints and another 10 for the GH 2. I think its not that bad for 100 pounds, certainly more cheap then a console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwface Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This comes to 1490 under current points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 10 hours ago, Screwface said: This comes to 1490 under current points. THanks!Do you think it's at least decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocho Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 11 hours ago, PowerCreep said: NO I wathced them adn i can't afford such armies in terms of cash I am a teen adn those armies seem a bit too expansive for just 1000 points even though they are cool So i kinds came up with this list, tell me what you think: Bloodclaw Starhost-(100 points, I think?) Firelance Starhost-100 points Saurus Oldblood on a Carnosaur-280 points blade of realities general Saurus s.v. on a cold one-100 points (I think?) Saurus oldblood on foot- 120 points 1 unit of 20 s.w.- 200 points 3 units of 5 knights-300 points Trog.-220 points (I think?) Total: 1420 points (but I am sure I got one or two point costs wrong) What do you think, 75 pounds using a third party website plus 20 on paints and another 10 for the GH 2. I think its not that bad for 100 pounds, certainly more cheap then a console. You need one more hero to complete the Bloodclaw Starhost. Your list has 1470 points. The troglodon is 180 points, the firelance 110 and the bloodclaw are 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwface Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Definitely 1490. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocho Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, Screwface said: Definitely 1490. Allegiance: Order Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280) Saurus Oldblood (100) - Suntooth Maul Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100) 10 x Saurus Guard (200) 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades Troglodon (180) Bloodclaw Starhost (200) Firelance Starhost (110) Total: 1470/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwface Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 42 minutes ago, Jocho said: Allegiance: Order Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280) Saurus Oldblood (100) - Suntooth Maul Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100) 10 x Saurus Guard (200) 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades Troglodon (180) Bloodclaw Starhost (200) Firelance Starhost (110) Total: 1470/2000 Are you getting this from Warscroll Builder or from the actual GH17 book itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocho Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 It's from the warscroll builder, but it is updated to GHb2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwface Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Jocho said: It's from the warscroll builder, but it is updated to GHb2017. I was taking my numbers from the book so either I'm a dumbass who can't count (perfectly possible) or there is a discrepancy (I know a few discrepancies have been spotted so this might be another). I'll triple check this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokapoke Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Jocho said: Allegiance: Order Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280) Saurus Oldblood (100) - Suntooth Maul Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100) 10 x Saurus Guard (200) 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades Troglodon (180) Bloodclaw Starhost (200) Firelance Starhost (110) Total: 1470/2000 Th Oldblood on foot is 120 in the book. Warscroll builder is being fixed. 1490 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 If you want to go cheap just do the following for 1000pt Buy two Start Collecting boxes and a Starpriest. Build both Carnosaurs. convert one of the Troglodon riders so he will be your Skink Priest. Actually you could also convert the second one and call him your Starpriest. Very easy and that way you could even do without the GW Starpriest. Use the spare shield from the Carnosaur kit to build a Scarvet on Cold one out of one of the Knights. So now you have: Priest Starpriest Oldblood on Carno Scarvet on Carno 24 Saurus Warriors 15 Saurus Knights You could play this list for example: Allegiance: Seraphon Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (240) - Warblade - Artefact: Blade of Realities Skink Priest (80) - Priestly Trappings Skink Starpriest (80) Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100) - General - Trait: Thickly Scaled Hide - Artefact: Coronal Shield 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Lances 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Lances 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Lances Firelance Starhost (110) Total: 910/ 2000 Or this one: Allegiance: Seraphon Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280) - General - Trait: Thickly Scaled Hide - Artefact: Prism of Amyntok Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (240) - Warblade - Artefact: Coronal Shield 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Lances 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Lances 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Lances Firelance Starhost (110) Total: 930/2000 And of course you can also leave the Bataillon out and instead play some Warriors, or maybe use only one Carno and instead play the Oldblood and some Warriors. Also you can easily expand from there. You can add Slann, Skinks and a lot of other stuff depending on which play style you prefer. If you play open play it is even possible to kitbash you some Celestial Swarms from the Carnosaur kit. Those are cool (and yes I am angry at GW that those are practically unplayable in matched play now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tozon Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I think you can do 1000pts even cheaper than above: Start Collecting Box - £40 (I'm using Wayland prices at you mentioned them) Saurus Knights Box - £16 Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur 280 Skink Priest/Starpriest* 80 Scar Vet on Cold One** 100 5x Knights 100 5x Knights 100 5x Knights 100 10 Warriors 100 Firelance Starhost 110 TOTAL 970pts * Make this using the components provided on the Troglodon Kit ** Make this using a Saurus Knight hero with as much cool stuff as you can fit The list won't be amazing, but it won't be terrible and the Carnosaur alone is enough to trouble some lists at that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, Tozon said: I think you can do 1000pts even cheaper than above: Start Collecting Box - £40 (I'm using Wayland prices at you mentioned them) Saurus Knights Box - £16 Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur 280 Skink Priest/Starpriest* 80 Scar Vet on Cold One** 100 5x Knights 100 5x Knights 100 5x Knights 100 10 Warriors 100 Firelance Starhost 110 TOTAL 970pts * Make this using the components provided on the Troglodon Kit ** Make this using a Saurus Knight hero with as much cool stuff as you can fit The list won't be amazing, but it won't be terrible and the Carnosaur alone is enough to trouble some lists at that size. Thanks! Also how shoudl i expand? Can i get an eternity warden plus guard (so basically my cav runs adn kills as much as possible while my guard caps objectives, and everyone that survives will be kill easily) or sunclaw or shadowstrike? maybe even a slann? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tozon Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, PowerCreep said: Also how should I expand? The joy of Seraphon at the moment is that the GHB2017 has turned the army on it's head so no one knows the "best" way currently. Look at : What you like - the most important thing! Are there any synergies with what you have? Do any of the units need fleshing out? What do you want to do more? Charge more? More Knights/ Carnos, Magic More? Add a Slann Is there anything missing? Do you want a horde unit to firm up your objectives, or some rending shooting to get past that Stormcast armour? Basically the world is kind of your oyster. For me, I love the variety Seraphon offer, and all the synergies so I'd build that 1000pts as a cheap base then buy a new unit I like, fit that into 1k and then repeat a few times. By then you've hit 1500pts, got some options and played some games so you know what you want to do and how you want to play. Just take it slow and enjoy the ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Tozon said: The joy of Seraphon at the moment is that the GHB2017 has turned the army on it's head so no one knows the "best" way currently. Look at : What you like - the most important thing! Are there any synergies with what you have? Do any of the units need fleshing out? What do you want to do more? Charge more? More Knights/ Carnos, Magic More? Add a Slann Is there anything missing? Do you want a horde unit to firm up your objectives, or some rending shooting to get past that Stormcast armour? Basically the world is kind of your oyster. For me, I love the variety Seraphon offer, and all the synergies so I'd build that 1000pts as a cheap base then buy a new unit I like, fit that into 1k and then repeat a few times. By then you've hit 1500pts, got some options and played some games so you know what you want to do and how you want to play. Just take it slow and enjoy the ride! Thanks just for the fun could you share your list with me? The thing is this is my first wargame ever so I kinda don't know my optimal strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just now, PowerCreep said: Thanks just for the fun could you share your list with me? The thing is this is my first wargame ever so I kinda don't know my optimal strategy. Als 3 hours ago, Tozon said: The joy of Seraphon at the moment is that the GHB2017 has turned the army on it's head so no one knows the "best" way currently. Look at : What you like - the most important thing! Are there any synergies with what you have? Do any of the units need fleshing out? What do you want to do more? Charge more? More Knights/ Carnos, Magic More? Add a Slann Is there anything missing? Do you want a horde unit to firm up your objectives, or some rending shooting to get past that Stormcast armour? Basically the world is kind of your oyster. For me, I love the variety Seraphon offer, and all the synergies so I'd build that 1000pts as a cheap base then buy a new unit I like, fit that into 1k and then repeat a few times. By then you've hit 1500pts, got some options and played some games so you know what you want to do and how you want to play. Just take it slow and enjoy the ride! Also do you if the slann works with saurus units and start collecting box? I just like their look and story just I don't know any tips on how to use them in a saurus army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, PowerCreep said: Als Also do you if the slann works with saurus units and start collecting box? I just like their look and story just I don't know any tips on how to use them in a saurus army Sure! Slann are the leaders of that army. They might not fit too well in a very small list, but from ~1200 points upward they are of good use with the new rules. They are great for buffing your army and they can summon units. They also have good command traits available if they are your general. Also they look cool. I just wish GW would finally release a plastic Slann.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, Aginor said: Sure! Slann are the leaders of that army. They might not fit too well in a very small list, but from ~1200 points upward they are of good use with the new rules. They are great for buffing your army and they can summon units. They also have good command traits available if they are your general. Also they look cool. I just wish GW would finally release a plastic Slann.... Well thats out of tyhe window i am new to this and i don't think i can work with resin :C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Baumann Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I am painting up my old skool Slaan like a poison arrow frog. I have a super old skool Serphon army: 1x Slann Priest on Palanquin w/ 4 Saurons carrying it 1x Stegadon w/ howda and 6 skink crew 1x Kroxigor 3x Skinks on Cold Ones - converted 12x metal Skinks w/ javelins – hero, standard, and musician 35x plastic Sauron Warriors w/ hand weapons and shields 64 x Skink archers Some of these things do not even exist in the current rule set so I am going to do some conversions or adaptations and then see what I should pick up (I need some more big dino-war weapons and I like the chameleon guys too). To OP... A Slaan general can lead an entirely Seraphon force and not only buff them but dominate with magic. Slaan are really awesome sorcerers so if magic is your thing, you want one or a Starpriest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tozon Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 5 hours ago, PowerCreep said: Thanks just for the fun could you share your list with me? I don't really have "A List", I normally switch things round every game as I'm not a tournament player so there's no need to search for perfection. The things I am really enjoying at the moment are: Slanns - with the "Vast Intellect" trait they feel really powerful, like they were/ are portrayed in the fiction (I'm still stuck in WHFB fiction!) Hordes of Skinks - I've always used blocks of 10 before but with the reduction meaning there's 20 for 200pts(!) I've really enjoyed teleporting them round the board being a nuisance Ripperdactlys - Shadowstrike formation for a turn one 'Alpha Strike' is just a thing of beauty 5 hours ago, PowerCreep said: Also do you if the slann works with saurus units and start collecting box? I just like their look and story just I don't know any tips on how to use them in a saurus army The Slann can work with anything in the army to be honest, it's just a great general choice now. Sit them with the saurus, buff them with Mystic Shield, Summon Starlight and watch your Saurus stick around for longer than is fair! 3 hours ago, PowerCreep said: Well thats out of tyhe window i am new to this and i don't think i can work with resin :C Resin is fine, the Slann cast is just a bit......rough. Just Superglue instead of Plastic Glue and if you have any questions then ask around here! 4 hours ago, Aginor said: I just wish GW would finally release a plastic Slann.... Deja Vu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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