GeneralZero

The evil advocate 'd say : the starter box is such a steal that GW had to do some margin somewhere else ;-) And BTW, there is soooooooo much better choice for NH than chainhordes.

well, there is the game... and there is the look. For the first: skellies are so good...., for the later, just no.

then play half horde! I think that 20 chainrasp+ 30 reapers+ whatever is enough, depending on your orientaion (hex+coach, oly+spirits etc...). Event 2*30 reapers That's what I do. Fed up of moving 100+ miniatures of hordes just to abuse rules. I prefer to see a mourngul and a coach

You will spend 80% of your game time to move those 40+40+30 skellies hahahaha I got myself 40skell+20 GG and it is sooooooooooooo long (but I love to see them on the battlefield) BTW, I'm not sure that 30GG are really needed: I play 20 and with the summon, I don't feel they need 30. I like your list, it is close to what I will do. But I'll try to save 5 waolves and 10GG to get 160 points: this can be many other things. For example, 3 vargeists for a change (fly, move fast and hit enough)

I'll try the combo 6 Spirits+ oly for offense. (eventualy with some boost). It is a real MW machinery

Of course there is a survey: big brother's never far away

nope. I waited for dire wolves, took 20 (2 boxes) and I must say that they really fit beter in a death army that other wolves that look just like wolves.

what do you think about our endless specific spells? Comet seems ok (almost OP) but the other 2? is it worth buying the box?

I can't beleive you more! You know what? I waited 2 month to get the dire wolves (out of stock at GW). Then they were again available (friday last week). ordered asap (the same day, last week). They are now, AGAIN out of stock at GW, they were available only 3 days

I wrote "questionable" because the design is far from making the unanimity. That means some people love it (seem to be minority) but some other don't (well, hate it). I didn't make judgement. So, I'm speaking for everyone then

I know, I have them all

it leaves lady Oly pretty much in the open. More of this, Oly and the coach can bring back models, that isn't maxed out with only hex. I'd leave one of the coach and take some spirits+ more reapers (in place of chaingrasps...)

What do you think about the NH specific endless spells? are they worth it? When I see the SCE ones, with the overpowered Comet spell, it is a no brainer. But for NH....it feels like there are some alternatives in the normal Migic box...

what do you think there'd be in the moonclan range? me: - monclan gob - fanatics - monclan flying catapult (don't rememeber the name of the flying guys catapoulted, look fun) - mounted moonclan gobs (on wolves? or spiders? and/or mounted squigs) - squigs (normals) - giant squigs Will they include the normal gobs as in a LoN way? then we'd have catapult, archers, trolls,...

Reiko is the way to go: versatile, fast, not expensive, nice ally for death in general, so many ways to use him. Oly is more situational or you have to build the whole army around her. just my 2cts (and BTW, I took the 3 - with the king - because I love the mini, oly being the less beloved of them )

which is not a so bad thing when the miniature design is so...hummmm questionable

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/07/26/26th-july-tactics-champions-of-the-sacrosanct-chambersgw-homepage-post-4/ evocators on draco are on their way (pre order probably in 8 days/available in 2 weeks?). I was looking at their warscroll and point cost. 300 is something you're thinking about twice before including them in your list! I don't say yet they are overprived nore under priced. I'm just comparing them to my beloved fulminators. Model wise, I'm still prefering the dracothians: they are massive and impose some respect in addition to being effective on the battlefield. But how do Evo on Drac compare to those Fulmi? I like the new cavalry, I'll get one unit for just my collection at least. My thoughs are that you can get 2 units of fulmi in a list (or 4 models in 1 unit). It is solid for the points and has some usefull shooting. But at 300p, the evo are big: you can't think about 2 units (or 6 in 1) without building the list around them. Maybe I'll try 4 fulmi + 3 evo (I'm so in love with cavalry) (even if I think that 4 fulmi+heraldor+evo on foot is more efficient at the same cost)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/07/26/26th-july-tactics-champions-of-the-sacrosanct-chambersgw-homepage-post-4/ As stated above, the evocators on draco are arriving soon meaning probably the week after this weekend because of the shedule of the other products and because they didn't confirm it for this weekend. Meaning also that they couple this release with the remaining of NH units (glaives?). So, we'll be set for SCE and NH in the middle of August. (yes, we already are almost at the end of july )

no. They -eventually - have it several month after release. Karadon got it almost a year after. IK, DoK don't have it. NH is too new. Not yet.

my guess: they could....but they wouldn't! (If I were GW CEO, I'd say a big NO (just business relative) ) It is a bit naive to think that the story leads the business whereas it is completly the otherway around. They adapt the story to be sure the next development will be a success story in cash. In the actual development of AoS and 40K, the (business) battlefront is too large to expand some few sub factions. They need new scale cash now. Of course, from time to time, you'll got some new things and sub factions. But the mainstream is to make big things. The LoN has proved it right. Huge success, big return on investments (because the moulding already exist). The DoK proved it on the wrong side (little "success", read: dispointment in £££). That is why I think GW will do something like LoN for , for example, skaven and green skins. Moulds already exist. Just adapt a mega battletome, you'll get many sales of skaven (chaos oriented), grots, gobs, trolls, orcs. (all destruction oriented).. And then attach to this train a new wagon, a (sub)faction like they did with NH for LoN, you got a winner each year!

Honnestly, when you compare a small faction (ex: daughter of kaine) , to a big faction (SCE, LoN, Nurgle....), it is a bit sad to see that there is almost no variations in possibilities in those factions: too few miniatures models, to few builds, they'll be soon forgotten (read : not in the mainstream, then not many salse then GW won't extend them...). That is why I don't do small factions, and that is why I expect GW to do some more LoN like battletomes. I invest in the longtemr for my miniatures. Competitiveness for the short term is useless. I started back in the ends of 80'...

yesterday, we did an initiation game 1500 points with my son: I gave him SCE while I managed LoN. We roll for scenario: we got the one with 3 objectives in the middle line of the battlefield which can only be aquired by the heros. The randomness of our lists (without playing batailons, nore artifacts/traits) gave us 3 heros each (the SCE had castelan, venator and celestan on dracoh and death had arkhan vanpire on steed and necro). This was as brutal as fun. But I must say that only 3 heros was really short. We didn't play magic (except few things on warscrolls for death player). I must say that 3 heros in a list feel really light. I think that my 2k lists won't rarely be under 4 whatever the army is (SCE/LoN/NH)

can't answer a question this braod. Depend on your list. Could be 3, could be 5...maybe 4 rarely less than 3 never more than 6

I did some search on GW around the world: USD115. I found that the ironclad is a this price. Which means for GW: 115 USD 70 £ 90€

I feel you. But points marked in a scenario are so important