Turragor

I think a shipment of SALT has spilled somewhere on the interwebs and some users are imbibing heavily. Look I get it that some aren't always happy to see new things, some releases just don't 'zing' for some people but there's this stereotype emerging that is making me roll my eyes. It's... /drumroll Mr or Mrs "<Sigh> Oh look X, where are my Y GW?!!? EVERYONE *absolutely not just a portion of the playerbase* is waiting on this very thing I just asked for!" I couldn't shorten that down that much I can see where the impatience might be coming from, death players, elf players, dwarf players, the time will come for all (bar anything that is just y'know not coming). Everyone has hobby to enjoy. Come on laddos the rumour thread is mostly for excitement! Anyway, enough of me whinging about whinging!

Models in ST were excellent BUT if it's the game play polish of the former release and all preexisting models I'll still be in love. Can see why ppl would want sexy new figures mind. But whq was so much more.

I always thought that (bar vanguard wing) SC deployment as lightning was the 'hurled from Sigmar' start to the campaign. So, for me, I'd love these 'survivors' - those that haven't been reforged anew and hurled back - to be savvy, open to adjusting tactics and fast. I think that's maybe what we'll see. If it's a regular scout like deployment it might feel too similar to lightning strikes. Maybe just a 'snap march' in the first hero phase or movement phase. Even better, better speed during the whole game. SC are pretty slow post deployment!

I have to assume GWs 'literal' naming tradition carries over with the gryph-chargers and aetherwings. I'd probably bet on the chargers being the mounted light cavalry. I would almost guess the aetherwings as a kind of "gryph-fon" knight but the 'charger' compells me to say they are mounted. So Aetherwings (for me) sound like maybe we'll get flying Gryph hounds, that is solo beast models. Now Gryph hounds don't roam alone, you've castellants and veritants to kinda manage them... So maybe we'll see a solo stormcast model, even more pelted up, as a kind of beastmaster for these flying and running creatures? Yes? No?

I can maybe see why you'd have concerns but I don't think they're (yet) rational. I see it as this: They turned a corner with their approach to battletomes rendering some older ones a bit useless (I've got Stormcast and Extremis tomes myself). They've been working on updates to those tomes that are already released but now out of date (because the models / launch for these ranges are already done and out there) and will be shooting them out in between their already set release schedule for new-new stuff (which they've maybe been editing the battletomes for). The models coming with this have been ready, probably, since around launch. I know Stormcast feel like they get attention (they do for a few very logical reasons that ppl have shared, poster boys, launch range, space marine success comparison) but I have to point out that as an army from scratch, they would need a lot to become 'complete'. If they were to be a subfaction (like say, Fireslayers or Sylvaneth) they may not need to be complete, but I think GW's aim with them is to get them on a par with the old school armies: Light and heavy troops, light and heavy ranged, light and heavy cavalry, a form of large monster, a kind of artillery. I am deducing that from the oft reiterated 'chamber' structure - sacrosanct, auxillary, ruination, extremis.

And I think, if we are looking at two big battletomes announced so close together, 2017 won't be a dry year for anyone.

<Dancing in the rain of tears due to more SC releases> My golden nipple meter had depleted [||-----] and I was painting beastclaws and thinking about Tzeentch and everything, what a fool I've been! Golden Nipple Meter charging... [||||||||] PING (PS I do feel for anyone still waiting for their favourite faction but must point out that the God King gave everyone nipples for a reason, to cover in luscious gold)

100% sure its 40k. If its AoS I will paint some prosecutor wings (and suffer).

I feel like on foot they're actually dear. Higher cost per model than retributors for instance. No reason not to take discs though which would make them pretty cheap cavalry (though what are they rough equivalent to?). They are strong and most of all fast troops, not tough. Can't see skyfire points cost yet but those guys are definitely tastier.

Oh okay, but then they're still getting a bike, rider and cat or something like that? Interesting. Also with the references in the weather report - what's what? Stormcast - lightning Tornados - Tzeentch Rain of Blood - Khorne Everwinter - Beastclaw Raiders Brimstone - ? All potential protagonists or antagonists at this point?

9 of 'em makes me think it's Tzeentch related. Also with the Gyrinx are we getting a mount, a rider and a cat on one base? Seems packed!

I see what you mean better now! I'd add more thoughts about possible solutions or interesting ways of making it work out fairly but I don't wanna derail the rumour thread more

I don't play a summoning army (yet) but are people really still so beat up about having to pony up points for generating new models and units? Like I see this all the time '<source of free models> is useless because I have to pay for it now>' and I don't get it. There are always upsides to this kind of thing, if there was no benefit at all it wouldn't see any use or wouldn't have a cost. Just off the top of my head, a unit that splits from Pink > Blue > Brimstone (costed) is like having 3 units on an objective with the footprint of one. Pretty durable. Opponents need to hit them with just the right amount of damage too as anything over the wounds of the pink horrors say doesn't spill onto the new blue unit. Rather the blue models are setup once the damage is resolved (I think, never played these). The main thing I can see that is valid is the hobby side you mentioned here, you need to buy and paint a lot of models to make this one unit. Ofc they could just sell 5 pink, 10 blue, 10 brimstone as one box?

I am so TPFT Too poor for Tzaanuary

Yeah if you take steam out of the equation it really changes what you'd expect these new duardin to look like. Steampunk is pressing heavily on my imagination when I consider them. Maybe they skip steam but are similar (hydraulic kinds of things powered by magic crystals, w/e)

My money is on duardin steamhead harpoon spear!

I cannot think of any downside to scale creep. Space Marines were always comically small for superhuman giants (for instance). Oh maybe one downside - transport!

Back to this one: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/11/16/the-rumour-engine/ I thought that with the new death roller reveal it was obvious that that's what it is but after another look it seems that they aren't from the same model. The styles don't really match and the paintjobs seem to be TMM (in rumour pic) v NMM (FW deathroller). Ofc maybe they've painted a few. So I guess this is still unconfirmed and likely steamhead?

The red bearded guy fighting the Tzeentch sorcerer? They said on stream that that is a mage (fire battle mage) iirc

I think I need more Tzeentch in my life

Tzeentch book covers ALL of Tzeentch. Confirmizzled on Warhammer TV just now. Many evolutions they say. All keyword Tzeentch covered in the book. EDIT Confirmed that the book doesnt just cover the keyword but if it has the keyword it can be in the army and the rules from the book can apply to that army. I assume that means its a real evolution alright! Almost an abandonment of small faction forces.

First test Mournfang done. Skin is 100% in. Black chipped plate, dull iron and bronze are 100% in. Brown leathers with dark greeny blue leathers are 100% in. Might vary the Ogor trousers colour. Beast skin and fur is 90% in. Might have some fur variation. The colour of the icy base is 100% in. The TUFTS I am not sure on at all. I hve some wintery ones to try (not as many lengths with those though). HORNS I'm not certain on. Beast (black) I 50% like. The dark brown, orange bones I like too but they're harder to paint and Ive no firm style on those yet. Will still mix in a more traditional dirty ivory (like on his helm). All in all, enjoyed this!

I like the base and paintjob on that AoS Tzaangor teaser image

We knew this but I guess it's part of the rumour engine? http://bit.ly/2h53Tov

tzeentch would work with a more organic look to the limb, unless I mean, if steamhead and tzeentch are released a bit intertwined maybe Tzeentch corrupted a steammachine. I also agree that most duardin stuff looks like a dwarf with a bulky aesthetic so this would be different. My only theory is that its a swiss army knife style army. Many different machines with different functions with a few dwarves as masters.