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Got the snotlings finished. Just a little touch up on a few of them. I did a test batch of 3 of them for the scheme then just batch painted the rest. I didn't enjoy painting these that much, I never do enjoy painting the same scheme on lots of models, just ends up feeling like factory production line work. They were fast though and not as bad as I was hoping. Just the bases and the transfers left. Been a year of slow painting. Got my Lizardmen, Dark Elf, Skaven and now these Orgre Blood Bowl teams done, I have the Human and Orc team still to do. Not sure whether just to power through and get them all done or move on to something else.

I stopped buying this game at the end of Nightvault. I own everything up to then, including the extra board and cards they released. In a month or so nothing I own can be used competitively anymore. I don't have much chance to do that anyway at the moment, but by the time I could I'll have to buy everything again, and with the 2 price rises the warbands took in under a year I have no desire to do that. So I have currently been priced out like you say. Arena Mortis is something I would have bought if it was over 50% cheaper. It sounds like a fun little game, but it just seems a cynical cash grab the more I think about it. Competitive players need to have every card, so instead of selling them a card pack, they bundle a board in and whack the price up knowing they will buy it what ever. I recently did the same thing with Ascension for Blackstone Fortress, it was the last expansion and I wanted to complete my set, but I felt completely ripped off buying it, and I'm part of the problem because they know they can charge that much and suckers like me will buy it. While I understand the need for card rotation, the cards should be getting cheaper not more expensive, especially how short a life span they have is. The cards in this set have around a years life span, and they aren't even good physical quality, compare them to a deck of bicycle cards that costs a few dollars, they are trash, I have loads of different sized ones, ones with different shades on the back and the only way to make the playable is to spend more money on sleeves. Sorry this is maybe just the straw that broke the camels back. I just think GW pricing has got so ridiculous and it feels like they are now just taking the mick out of their customers. GW's customer base is largely well off middle class people who can take these price hikes in their stride, GW know that and are exploiting it to the full.

Sorry bit of a rant here. Arena Mortis has a price of 45 dollars U.S./ 30 pounds U.K. That is for a board, some cards, a token sheet and a rule pamphlet. 45 dollars! I haven't played this game, but from what I've read it just sounds like a White Dwarf game. It is like GWs pricing team have decided their pricing model is 'How much can we get away with charging and enough people will buy it' rather than the usual model that takes into account design, production costs, wages etc. I can't see any justification for this price, 15 dollars would seem a tad too expensive for me for this. As a comparison you can get Combat Arena for 39 dollars, which is a similar style of game, and it comes with 5 models too. I have Combat Arena and Gorechosen, I think Combat Arena cost me 50 dollars including international postage, and I am prepared to bet that these are better games. Anyway what do other people think? Are you going to buy it? Do you think the price is alright? Edit. I see the cards are available to use in normal Underworlds games. So it is a mandatory purchase for competitive players.

I'm pretty new to this group, but my understanding of it is that it's a good way of helping people paint, whether to give them motivation to get something finished, or get advice on what they are working on, or help people feel part of a community and share what they are working on as painting can be a very lonesome persuit, and it is something that can take up a lot of time. So to answer the question, I'd say yes of course. And there isn't a 'pledge inspector' or anything to come round and punish you if you fail, or I'd be in a lot of trouble ha ha

These Ogres are largely finished, just need the bases and transfers. The Snotling in the hand hasn't been done yet as I haven't decided the colour scheme for them, need to do a test model first. I'm pretty happy with how these turned out, the black and blue kit, and the ginger hair seems to work quite well. Snotlings are next.

Despite declaring I was having a break from painting, I got a bit of a second wind and started on my Ogre Bloodbowl team. I'm enjoying painting these, hopefully I can get these done and the snotlings don't become too much of a drag.

I'd add my voice to the Bloodbowl Turn Over mechanic. Simply put it just means your turn ends when you fail a dice roll. This creates a situation where you need to order your whole turn, you need to decide how important things are, which are worth a risk, how much can you gamble on an un likely result. It is a huge amount of fun that can create a lot of in game tension and humour and that can lead to wild situations that flip the game on it's head. There is a really good balance of strategy and randomess in there to make it great. I'd say I also really like the Activation Dice in the new Warhammer Quests, it is simple and fast and every go gives you a new set of moves which effect how you will approach that part of the dungeon.

I'm calling these done. Not my best paint job by any stretch, but they are finished. I'd say I'm taking a break from painting for a bit but I don't think I've done enough to constitute not being on a break already ha ha. Just not finding any fun in it at the moment, need something to interest me or get me excited about it again. There are plenty of model's I want to build though.

I find I'm the opposite at the moment, I've got a real urge to build things, got two or three different ideas for projects involving kit bashing and converting knocking around in my head. I really have no desire to paint though, and I really don't like building stuff and not having it painted. I've got those Skaven to finish, as well as Orgre, Human and Ork Bloodbowl teams. At this rate it's going to take me until next year to finish them.

A Night Lords painting scheme, as in the Chaos Space Marine Legion, dark blue, lightning, gold trim, and some times white bone face plates. Tbh I have no idea about Stormcast chambers, I'm not well versed on the fluff. Yours just reminded me of the one I did. Here is a picture and a stormcast I did as Night Lords.

Is that painted in a Night Lords scheme? I painted my Stormcasts from the first starter set as Night Lords a few years ago. I thought the models worked well for the scheme and the lightning bolts kind of went with them. It looks great btw

A bit late to this. After completely failing July's painting contract of painting a Skaven Bloodbowl team and the Ogre one. I'm scaling it back to just finishing the Skaven this month. That pledge to paint the Orgres as well is looking like the most outrageous of Kickstarter Stretch Goals, what was I thinking. This is what I had done and still left to do with the Skaven. The grass based ones still have some transfers to go on. I don't usually paint all the models in one go, I think getting to the point where all of them had a rough base coat down is maybe what killed it for me, I lose a lot of interest just putting down the same colours over and over again. I've been finishing the models in pairs to try keep it more interesting.

I've been scratching my head all week really as to the response to Indomitus, I find space marines as well as stormcasts quite hard to get excited about as models really, it's more that they suffer from basically being exactly the same, someone in armour, so it comes down to their pose and there is only so much to get excited about with that. And I have no love of Necrons. Anyway that is a subjective point that is also quite a digression @Saturmorn Carvilli I had no idea about how they play in game. I haven't played 40k since 7th edition. I had assumed Indomitus would be released as the starter with the standard rule book and a few of the characters taken out for a cheaper price. It begs the question what is the starter then if this is truly limited. I can't see them not releasing the components separately though. Back on to topic, I'd imagine Indomitus will seriously eat into the starters sales, as a lot of people who would buy that have just bought Indomitus and I doubt many want a second rule book.

250,000 sounds right to me. If someone told me Dark Imperium sold 250,000 copies in 3 years I'd think that sounded very credible. If someone said 1 million I'd be shocked and question that, and if someone said 35,000 I would also be shocked, hence this post. I'm also very interested in their buisness model, I'd love them to do a behind the scenes documentary explaining the whole process from idea, to shop shelf too, but that's quite a digression.

I think I first saw something about it quoted from a Spikey Bits article, it's Spikey Bits so make of that whatever you want. " GW was rumored to be bragging about selling 27,000 copies already (more than 8th Edition’s Dark Imperium in the last 3 years" That is claiming that Dark Imperium was under 27,000, which just sounds ridiculous. I think these numbers have been chucked around with no basis in fact and have been misquoted and misremembered. I think I also saw the 35,000 on Bolter and Chainsword but in reference to Dark Imperium total sales. I'd love some actual sales data ha ha. I'm intrigued about how many copies of things sell.

I was under the impression that Bretonians were pretty much in a nutshell what GW wanted to move away from and start a fresh with. Firstly the designers wanted more freedom to design instead of being restricted artistically by trying to recreate things like medieval knights, and secondly losing the physical restriction by moving to round bases so the models could be more dynamic and not constrained by trying to bunch all the models up together. Also there is the whole copyrght issue, Bretonians are one of the hardest things to copyright, and they were just another army with a huge buy in cost that was killing the game. I loved Bretonians, I was sad to see them go, and I'd love some normal human cavalry, but the AOS models have consistently been some of the best models GW have done, they were far better than 40ks for quite a while. Freeing themselves from Fantasy really did let the designers off the leash. I don't think there is any need to bring them back, I'm much more enjoying the new armies they are creating rather than trying to recreate classic fantasy.

I'd be inclined to believe the 100,000 over the 35,000. I mean that's quite a huge step up in production, and quite a gamble when on the face of it, you are gambling some more Primaris Marines and Necrons are going to be that much more popular than the original release of Primaris Marines and the release of Deathguard as an army for the first time. Thats nearly 3 times the total sales of the 8th editon box set if the 35,000 is true. I can't say I've ever wondered about total sales before but I'd imagine around 100,000 world wide would seem right for something like a starter set. Or the hundreds of thousands, anything in the millions would seem a bit too high. It could be the 100,000 split world wide could sell out that fast. I've gotten Glastonbury tickets before. I know how fast large amounts of things can sell out. It's not the first time GW have underestimated demand, I remember Shadow War and Titanicus caught them out too.

100,000 seems a lot especially as it was sold out in 10 minutes. I have no interest in that box, was it that much better than Dark Imperium, (I liked that box set much more personally.) But if it was 100,000 then that 35,000 can't be right. I suspect both are wrong. To go back to how much an injection mould costs, I'd imagine 35,000 sales isn't a huge profit margin especially when all other production costs are taken into consideration. And you'd expect that to be the highest selling single item. But 35,000 sales is 3.3 million pounds so maybe it is enough.

Over the weekend I've seen a number of 35,000 total sales in 3 years for Dark Imperium being bandied around on forums. This number surprised me, as I thought it seemed quite low for what is basically GW main product, the 40k starter set. Does anyone know if this is accurate? Is it a good number of sales? Is it low? It also got me thinking about what are usual sales numbers for their products, how many sales does Soul Wars have? How many sales do they make of things like Underworlds? or your standard infantry box release? How many sales did previous starter sets make? What about those battle boxes that come out every few months? I am basing this on no evidence at all but I am thinking that 35,000 must be missing some caveats of information, like, total U.S sales or total U.S sales to independant stockists. Especially as they said they would make 'tens of thousands' extra of Indomitus (this isn't designed to be a conversation about Indomitus), which is basically the same thing as Dark Imperium was, two push fit starter armies and the rule book. Some quick back of a napkin maths, but 12,000 sales world wide for 1 year divided by 20 countries they have webstores for (excluding ROW and Rest of EU) is 600 copies, divide that by 12 you get 50 sales a month each for those entire counties, and that is excluding a lot of countries, and assuming all markets are the same size. It just feels too low. If it is true, maybe things ate into sales like, free rules, there being 3 starters, the small one; First Strike, the medium one; Know No Fear and Dark Imperium, and a lot of the models being included in Warhammer Conquest. What do other people know about the 35,000 sales or normal sales they make?

I'm pleased someone is trying this! If you do it, a wip blog would be appreciated. I have had the idea myself but have been put off by the fact I own nothing of the original Warhammer Quest and it isn't cheap on ebay. The lack of modern models also seemed a problem. I just recently finished doing a similar thing with Space Crusade. It took me 4 years and cost over 500 pounds. I've added a link here to the wip blog I did about it if you are interested. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356833-space-crusade-re-imagined/

This will be my first time doing this but I need a kick up the bum to make me get on with painting. I'm going to try my Bloodbowl Ogres and Bloodbowl Skaven teams. They have been built and primed since March but I'm making very slow progress. I've only managed to paint my Lizardmen and Dark Elves since then. I would still have my Humans and Orcs to paint after that.

I was thinking about this the other day, when exactly did GW move to weekly releases? I really can't remember. Was it around the time of White Dwarf Weekly or much before then? Anyway, I have also noticed I haven't missed weekly releases since they have stopped. If anything it has been nice to have a break from them, and it's not just the pulling power of a shiny new product, it's also all the articles on the community site, like the fluff, rules etc. And since just stepping back for a little bit I can clearly see what they are, marketing. I do like them and prefer they were there than not, but how fast they come out then are discarded as soon as the next one comes along is just a bit much. Another thing I had been thinking was about the Start Collecting. When they came out they were supposed to replace the old battalion army boxes, the battalions had more models and cost a lot more. The start collecting were refreshing, 40 pounds seemed reasonable, it was great entry point to start with or get a new army. You got a nice manageable amount of models of different unit types, but now some of them coming out are up to the battalion price, and with a lot less in them. I agree about the family time. I've had the least amount of time I've had for wargaming since Corona. I live in South Korea and due to the schools closing meant I didn't work for over 1 month, you'd think not having any work would have given me a lot of time, but it also meant my daughter was home all day too, and spending time with her has kept me busier than ever. I've much prefered spending time with my daughter than painting any models.

I am just curious, how does Bolt Action compare in price from the U.K to the Australia, does it have a similar markup in price like GW stuff has, or is it the same price as the U.K stuff? I have no idea why Australia costs so much more, if Bolt Action has a similar markup then it could be import fees and taxes, if it doesn't then it might be GW using costs for running GW stores etc. My mate is from New Zealand and he says New Zealand pay an extortionate amount too, I have also been in a GW shop in Japan and the prices in there were astronomical.

Hi, both worked when I clicked them, not sure why they didn't for you. I've tried attaching the file. I hope you like them. Extra Adversaries for Warhammer Quest Silver Tower.docx

Well since I started this topic back in October, I have only bought a Blood Bowl team and the Almanac, and I got some paints for Christmas. I've stopped impulse buying and I completely skipped Beastgrave as well as many other releases I may of bought before. I don't think this price rise is well timed, even though this is more a 'luxury product' many people will be feeling an economic pinch and how much you need some plastic models might fall quite far down on your list of priorities. I wonder if it is pandemic related, I would have thought it was planned before the pandemic. Maybe they thought a single price rise of 5 pounds on a unit was too much in one go and if they did it twice in a year it would ease the blow. But it could be a reaction to the current situation, I have no idea. As Valenswift says, we all have one thing we are a little crazy about, I was riding a bike with a friend and told him one year I'd spent over 1000 pounds on GW stuff, he was shocked, I asked him how much he had spent doing his bike up, he told me well over 1000 pounds, mine cost 200. A lot is how much you value it, I know if I go out drinking I can spend much more than the new unit I want and all I usually have to show for that is a bad head the next day, if I did buy the unit instead, at least it would still be sat in my cupboard unopened ha ha.