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19 minutes ago, Gwill_of_the_Woods said:
So far we've seen Witch Hunter, Aelf (kurnothi or wanderer style), KO, and some type of Ogor.
I think that might just be it besides the human with staff on the ‘box cover’ style picture.
edit; mostly because it seems weird if that one is incomplete.
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3 minutes ago, PJetski said:
Piracy is wrong.
Selling poorly edited books that require erratas is wrong.
Selling products knowing that they will be invalidated within a year is wrong.
The solution is to stop using the products and demand better. As long as people keep buying these books then they have no incentive to improve their products. Vote with your wallet.
Correct,
Not true,
Not true,
we might feel that way. But that’s very subjective and not actually wrong.
but yeah, vote with the wallet.
and just to throw a bit of petrol on the fire. This comes on the back off them raising prices on not only new releases, but also older kits.
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1 hour ago, stratigo said:
GW doesn't make its cheddar off the rulebooks. Piracy barely registers to them. They want you to buy models.
It earns them enough to stop, or at least delay, digital releases.
the Warcry tomes are stil not available digitally.they are trying to find a hybrid form as seen with the 40k code thing.
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32 minutes ago, NorthernNurgling said:
I'm not being hysterical about it, I just mean that the faction is not at all what I thought it was going to be. Now on the one hand I could be content with the few kits in the army that actually appeal to me, but over time I think it will just get more annoying as the other temples come out. I want my horse-archers to... uh... be on horses. I could just about swallow buying a Mountain Spirit, but then Fantastic Mr Fox has been released and I just feel a bit disappointed... I'd love it if the spirits were half-elf avatars, like the old Orion model.
I'm just dropping the faction now before River Temple comes out and I have to buy the mystical Platypus or Zenith comes out and Tyrion rides in on the mighty Albatross. I honestly wondered if other people had the same experience. I've still got a functional 2k Vanari army, at least until I build up another force to replace it.
And that sucks. I truly get that. Because those units, eben if you don’t field them, they are part of the lore, the army picture etc. So it does influence how you perceive your own army. And as a result how you experience it.
but bringing it back to the discussion is it about the release strategy? Or is it simply a matter of taste?
so if they showed/released those horse archers, sword infantry etc. Then you could ignore that one foxy wind avatar, if that’s where it stopped. If that was what they where releasing would you then be okay with it?
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21 minutes ago, Lord Krungharr said:
r aching backs (hello Clan Skryre
Hello 2x20 metal globadiers. Don’t tell me they nudged me towards plastic alternatives on that one 😂
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Can I also just say.
wr don’t know about the ‘invalidating’ part regarding lumineth.
there is still a chance it’s a combination book. Or even a separate battletome with some 1 in 4 ally rules or whateverNow if that would be better is up to how it could be executed but it’s the first time they are so fast behind it, so there might still be a different strategy at play.
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9 hours ago, HollowHills said:
Specifically interested to hear from DoK and Lumineth players.
BR Morathi came out only a couple of months ago and now we are getting a DoK battletome which will presumably contain all the rules.
Lumineth only officially released in September but are now seeing the range doubled with none of those units being represented in the battletome.
Given that many of us haven't been able to play in person for almost a year, coupled with continued price increases this seems a bit scummy to me.
No not really. Dok book could easily be 2 more months away, so I’m happy to play with a change of rules until that time.
the alternative is that GW knew threes changes were coming and excluded them from the Morathi book.
That would have been worse from my perspective.
but in general the release rate is so high in losing connection with it but that’s a general issue and not specifically linked to DoK, Morathi or the pointy elves
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11 hours ago, Kadeton said:
Bloodgullet is definitely the exception! Everything works with that, mainly because the Splatter Cleaver is totally amazing, the only unit you need to include to take full advantage of everything is a Butcher (and Gluttons if you care about the command trait, which you don't need to), and nothing else is restricted.
I guess the restrictions aren't as hard-and-fast as I made out, but certainly for Beastclaws there's a lot of pressure to focus based on your tribe, both in terms of which units can benefit and in what alternatives you're forced to give up by making that choice (e.g. running Beastclaw heroes without Dig Deep... yuck!). And while you might run your Underguts list as Bloodgullet, presumably you'd never run them as Boulderhead or Thunderbellies?
You're right that CoS is even more restricted though, and I'm probably overstating the case that Ogors are toward the end of that scale rather than somewhere in the middle compared to other armies. Gloomspite is another example... perhaps as a general trend, the battletomes that are made up of two or more micro-factions mashed together are worse off than those created as a more coherent single faction? I don't know. Maybe it's all in my head!
That’s a good question.I don’t know if they are worse off being two or more micro factions.
maybe they are, because they kept the keywords and keywords specific abilities. that does hinder it. Almost all those old world factions that come together struggle with that. So a specific subfaction could make that worse.
just thinking of the factions I see traces of it but nothing as bad as CoS luckily 😅guess you do have a point there.
I think the battleline if, tied to subfaction is a bad design choice no matter what. so that’s the ‘issue’ with KO. But can’t think of any other book that has that.oh and certain battalions make it worse as well! Luckily the gutbusters ones are really solid. Haven’t used the beastclaw raiders ones much.
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3 hours ago, Kadeton said:
I think more than most battletomes, the Mawtribes tome has really blatant CHOOSE THIS TRIBE IF YOU WANT THESE UNITS signposting. Some armies have the option to take similar composition, but switch up their sub-faction to modify their playstyle a bit... we don't really do that so much. Most of the tribes only give any benefit to an extremely narrow set of units, and you'd need a really compelling reason to take anything else.
Straightforward and brutal is definitely the Beastclaw's greatest strength. Strike first, strike hard, no mercy.
Oh really? I actually find the opposite. Well not really opposite but at least 90 degrees different.
For context currently I’m really into my KO, stormcast and Cities at the moment, but I also have Skaven and DoK armies.
I find that most units can switch around between the sub factions. At least a lot better than my other armies.
If I bring my beastclaw list I can actually put them into blood Gullet and add a butcher with some endless spells. The only thing I waste is the command ability but the trait and artefact are actually quite good.
I’ve also played my underguts list in blood gullet. And if I drop my cannons for a frostlord it is also quite solid in boulderhead. and all of it can function in meatfist, but we don’t talk about the one😅Everytime I look at the cities book I feel I need a different collection for. Every subfaction.
and with KO, dok and Stormcast I just end up with the same two every time. Especially with KO that gives battleline if through its sub factions.
Skaven is a different beast all together.but I do get what you mean. The underguts and winter bite really only benifit specific models and with thunder bellies it’s about halve the rules.
still that’s 3 out of 6 that push you to go all in. The other 3 allow you do mic and match but asks you to bring 1 or 2 specific heroes.
Btw not saying you’re wrong. Just found it interesting that we experience it differently.-
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On 1/23/2021 at 10:53 PM, EccentricCircle said:
This thread has also convinced me to finally get some fyreslayers. I've decided that I want to try a darker colour scheme, and make something really not orange to see how that looks. We shall see...
Haha I dug out my underworlds warband out of the pile of potential as well 🙈
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Black stone fortress collected some of the best rules from both silver tower and hammerhal from what I saw.
I skipped hammerhal because ill never play with a GM. I skipped blackstone because the sci-fi look didn’t interest me. so if it’s the same mechanics as blackstone in fantasy I’d be happy
What I’m really curious about, not having played blackstone , what did they learn from it?
every quest since silver tower had some fundamental changes. So what will it be. -
2 hours ago, Kierdale said:
ANVILGARD ENDURES!
the army is done.
I’ll be back on this project when I’m making their display board.
It’s been great fun making this army and I’m proud of it. I hope it’s provided some ideas and/or inspiration.
Now I need a break from AoS.
so much awesome!!!
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3 hours ago, Kadeton said:
e only one I've had proper trouble with are the updated Idoneth. The shark nets preventing pile-in can be a big problem, the turtles hit harder than a Frostlord, and if you can't overwhelm them before turn 3 they will destroy you in their "always strikes first" melee phases. That's a tough game
I haven’t played them yet so I’m curious how that match up works out.
but in general I agree. most Top armies right now have easy acces to mortal wounds or rend usually at range, and good magic and mobility.
I think that’s why Ogors and blightkings do so well. The sheer number of wounds is a real bonus.
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2 minutes ago, Greasygeek said:
I think that there is room for some minor vampire/thrall units too. I mean even Dracula has a small army of lesser vampires
On the Warcry Facebook I made the comment that they are the start of a fun proxy/kitbash cities warband. And that you just need to add some vampires with rifles.
And now that’s all that I want. Exactly like you say, minor vampire/thralls clad in a lighter but still baroque armour. With lock fire rifles. Losing control if they ever come into melee and giving into bloodlust until the end of the battle. Unable to use their rifles.
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29 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:
@Overread @Clan's Cynic@Neil Arthur Hotep @Kramer Thanks for cheer me up!
I don't want rules, I only want to have a bit of presence in the biggest campaign ever released. If the Realms are gonna be Broken, Destruction must be a important part of these events. 🤤
Haha Fair enough.
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17 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:
Triple posted somehow.
Impressive.
@Nezzhil luckily we only know the contents of the first. And only what they told of the second. So they could still have a part to play in the next.
maybe nothing more than the vampire/malereon cameo at the end of the first book. maybe something more solid.
but destruction is sure to claim their time in the sun.also for a different perspective: destruction got the biggest release 2020.
Everything is possible after that release-
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14 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:
Definitely a Kharadron Edrinrigger.
I don't think so. Looking from the back it doesn't look as much as a ballon as the view from the front. I'm guessing Thunderer/Arkanaut captain with skyhook.
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7 minutes ago, LordAlpharius said:
That face in background could perhaps be a character too? Some kind of shaman, or cossack inspired tribesman?
General poster design 'knowledge' means that its the antagonist.
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7 minutes ago, mojojojo101 said:
Here is the problem with revealing models months ahead of their release... by the time they come out, no one gives a ****** anymore.
Slaanesh was revealed months ago, isn't even released and has barely been mentioned around here for weeks. The hype is gone.
Not showing all the models for Lumineth when they are probably 2 months away at best, not showing Gravelords when they are probably 4 months out is just sensible and better for everyone.
from a personal standpoint no. It's really good that they show it nice and early.
It's a time consuming hobby. I was nearing the end of my stormcast project, they showed the Warcry box which became my new project. If I hadn't known that was coming I might have bought 1 or 2 units of a project I would compete with catacombs.
I reckon I paint 3 or 4 warbands for warcry and then it's on to the next project. If I know Slaanesh is coming, insert obligatory joke about the different meaning of that word, I'm waiting for those bad boys and painting something from the pile of potential. Now I even know warhammer quest is coming I might decide to save some funds and project time for that instead of Slaanesh.Now, that is indeed worse for GW. it keeps me more focussed and makes me spend less. But not caring anymore when they release those models definitely not.
(On a side note, If they didn't show slaanesh when they did and wait to show until a new release is very close. Then they would have had nothing to show for AoS for over two months. Since morathi in november till the next release in februari. And that's not taking into account the slaanesh models already showing in the warcry books.)
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On 12/31/2020 at 12:20 AM, PlasticCraic said:
I've played KO a lot and it matches up OK. You've got a game on your hands.
I still think Ogors, especially mawtribes, are a kinda anti KO pick.
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9 hours ago, Greybeard86 said:
Me an aprox. half the people voting in this poll.
The point is not to crab on Fyreslayers, there is no need for that. Overwhelmingly evidence tells us they were a bust.
What I intended is to have a conversation on why that was the case, which we did, to a certain extent.
Why? Because I like slayer sculpts and I'd rather see them getting support than axed because they missed the mark with FS.
I’m still wondering by what metric they were a bust and if by GW metrics they are bust. Which could result in them being axed.
(Although I find that highly unlikely for the next decade for any AOS released faction.)
you say roughly half the people agree with you. Honestly from the comments it seems half agree with you up to a point. But it’s a good question if not liking them equals that. Your guess is as good as mine.
but pulling on that thread, how many people need to like an army for it to be a succes? (And as a result how many need to buy them).
thinking of the last two releases:lot of push back on the lumineth on reveal as well, at least online. Where would the score land if the question was do you like the new iteration of high elves.
soms of behemat seems to have gotten a lot more positive response. But how many players have actually bought into that crazy expensive kit? In the mini sales funnel. Do they need a higher positive attitude to convert into sales?
From a GW perspective sales are a clear metric. So have they sold enough? I don’t know, and beyond tournament data, which is very skewed, we don’t really know.
Not trying to argue that they are or aren’t a bust. Just that a binary choice ‘do you like them’ isn’t really enough data.
(including the qualifier as ‘the new iteration of dwarven slayers’ further muddies the water Imo)-
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54 minutes ago, NinthMusketeer said:
...pardon? I was originally responding to a concern over playability difficulties of mass-cultist armies, explaining that they won't be a thing in the current environment so it's not something to be worried about.
...excuse me? Then we apparently agree
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1 hour ago, NinthMusketeer said:
Given that 200 clanrats is only 1000 points... but regardless, that's not really the point. Spamming clanrats is far stronger than spamming cultists, so if dumping over 1k into them isn't common spamming cultists certainly won't be.
If I’m honest I think that if you’re judging an army by how they tag on underworld and Warcry warbands then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
they are so clearly just a little curtesy to players so they can play with their toys in the main game.
Very occasionally they get a good rule on accident, beast of chaos, but usually they only fit because the rules are a bit wonkey, Skaven. -
1 hour ago, RuneBrush said:
I do agree though, I'd love Khorne to get a bit of attention - nice centrepiece model that's not a bloodthirster and make them actually scary on the tabletop
Haha I doubt that a new model is the solution in this specific case. Khorne has the biggest. baddest, most point expensive and nicest looking centrepiece model but it doesn’t make them scary on the tabletop 😂
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Warhammer Quest: Ulfenkarn
in Warhammer Quest
Posted · Edited by Kramer
Oh yeah, forgot about the front and centre damsel causing distress.
My current guess is that the face top right is the baddie. the goatee really says it all 😂
I’m also wondering if the KO will be able to drag opponents closer.
the mage also has the Cathelar/sister of battle cloth over the face. Which is cool