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Ohhhh, now I'm wondering if we'll see any Seraphon/KO reboxes. If not, maybe CoS could be the Spring Order release...

Maybe that list a few days has guessed somethings right about BT release order...

I'm honestly expecting a bit more Dark Elf stuff to be cut, and no matter how much I love the Steam Tank, I still roll around in bed, sleepless at night, fearing it's inevitable retirement...

As unlikely as this list is, I think we could see more than 1 BT in the Summer. GW isn't famous for exhaustive roadmaps...

Apart from that looking suspect, it would surprise me to get even a single duardin for Cities

Also fits this. What's with event minis having so many REs?

Maybe a similar situation to the Mega-Gargant RE that had already been released by the time the image got put up, and this is for a new Votann Kill Team/Hearthkyn with upgrade sprue?

Also, any ideas what the remaining REs might be? Probably Slaanesh or 40k Sisters of Silence (although Hedonite mortals have hooved boots, so maybe a fancy CoS human general?) Seraphon spear. Probably not tied to a gargant/ogor/Chaos warrior as a trophy Kharadron/Cities book-launcher New DoK/CoS Dark Elf warband for February Grass. Seraphon? Idoneth? Grassikin Rootlords? Flesh-eater Courts most likely Sigmar, let these be a Cities mace cigar, mace, and mini-Cogfort turret hatch More Seraphon looking stuff. Gits? Gallet Incarante?

New RE 100% Votann, same pattern on the handle and same attachment point for the blade to it. My sweet Dispossessed look to remain untouched for the Cities refresh, which I suppose is better than getting chopped... Edit: Votann shovel for context

I feel they knew what they wanted to do with what would become CoS pre-2019. Give all the Battletome-less factions books in one swoop, and setup a place for the new "Imperial Guard" to the Stormcasts' 'Space Marines' (I'm really glad SC have really moved away from just being fantasy SM both in lore, and more recently in models). Regardless of what they are planning for Old World, units were going to be trashed no matter what happened, as imo there was a bit too much repetition (especially with the 4-5 flavours of basic infantry), and getting rid of Wanderers, and probably a fair amount of Order Serpentis, Darklings and Privateers, while not the best move in regards of respecting existing collections, had to be done at some point. Whetever CoS will stay cosmopolitan depends on what we'll see in the upcoming release(s), although the rumour of City Ogors makes me think we won't be seeing a duardin/aelf-less CoS in the future. Also, basing what remains on Start Collecting boxes probably serves to make people who started CoS with the first Battletome more likely to have armies that don't get invalidated, as they are more likely to have bought them.

Forgets the one who said the same a few hours ago... Anyhow, that'd probably be the place for the last few things for the Winter to be revealed.

So, seems like we know pretty much everything up until February? Based on roadmaps we've gotten, Imperial Guard and StD in January, World Eaters and Gloomspite Gitz in February with Arks of Omen 2, with poor BoC squeezed in somewhere in Winter, and that mystery DoK/CoS Dark Aelf Underworlds warband. All that's left for something like LVO in terms of reveals is maybe some surprise Gloomspite or BoC, and a lot of 40k characters for Arks of Omen, so maybe we could be seeing something for the Spring Order Battletome in late January there. Fingers crossed for CoS 😛 (or, us just getting them either as the Spring or (probably very early) Summer BT. Cities would be quite fitting for a large Warhammer Fest AoS reveal before a 10th edition 40k finale in May, if we don't get them during Spring)

"This is the last major preview event of the year and there are some surprises in store. That said, there may also be a few festive treats under our digital tree when the end of the year rolls around…" From when they announced November's preview. Probably something like Azrael or Dante (or both) for 40k. Or maybe something for 40k and something for AoS (like last year where we got new Eldar and CSM for 40k, and then that Idoneth vs FS box got teased in the same article and was shown on the monday after Christmas day)

If you are referring to the Sunday preview, I think we'll just get Arks of Omen: Abaddon, alongside those Void War terrain kits, and probably some leftover FW stuff announced for next week's pre-orders to close off the year. And maybe some more Necromunda or Bloodbowl stuff on Monday. The next "not a single FW mini" reveal will most likely be on the 25th.

All I hope for is CoS coming out in Spring or Summer. They can't stretch out these render previews until Fall. Even Sisters of Battle (didn't shorten to avoid confusion with a certain factions of gargants), who I do actually believe were in active development for at least the first few articles, only got a few with just renders (the initial reveal, an update a few months later, and then at the beginning of the "Battle Sister Bulletin" series they did) before they showed us a full mini. And if I were to look at World Eaters reveals (who first got a CoS style article a day after the refresh was announced), they are releasing in the Jan-Feb-March time, so maybe we could see the range refresh (if we do get it Spring) after them? And if the Spring Order BT isn't CoS, then I don't think we'll be seeing the refresh until late Fall/early 2024 (prime army release times have been early-mid Spring (Soulblight, Lumineth Wave 2), early Winter (Gloomspite Gitz, and now StD) and mid Fall (Lumineth Wave 1)) Or who knows, maybe we'll have enough renders by Spring to put together half the army 😛

Anyone got an opinion here when the first preview event is gonna be next year? I would say first week of January, but since last year we didn't have a New Year open and just got a teaser video, I'd guess it'd be the LVO. Any speculation for early 2023 reveals?

Quick update Yeah, just wasn't really sure what to add. Also, the underlining for the Executioners and Freeguild General was accidentally swapped. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get a generic Witch Hunter kit, but then again, what is stopping GW from releasing more of them? The big centerpiece could either be "Hammerhal? Named Character on Griffon/with Katakros diorama", or maybe a new warmachine. Or something entirely different 😛 As for the armour pic I think that the torso could be for a new knight unit (with the arm on the torso being a "guide" for the shield, letting it slot into position easier), and the right bit of armour is a "groin flap" for it maybe, but I think the lone boot is for the new Greatsword equivalent because it doesn't have a stirrup (the slot for a leg on a saddle), and as I think the bits they are showing have all already been cut up and made into sprues (and are nicely sitting in Army Boxes in a warehouse in Nottingham with manufactured unit cards, dice, and Battletome), I don't think they'll be adding one to it. Also, I think these are definitely horse armour, because the Sigmar bit on the right one Is the same as the one on the bottom left here, so it's a bit big to be a shoulder pad (expect if we are getting some City Ogors, which I highly doubt)

Starting out with just more basic units (with maybe something more impressive as a centerpiece release) is how I was thinking they'd do it too. Fits with the theme I guess. Although I wonder what the timespan between the first and second waves will be (if we get a second). Could be Lumineth with just a few months, could be a few editions.

Based on the new rumours, these are my predictions for the current units. Key: Green: High chance of staying Blue: High chance of staying + new kit Orange: Unsure (probably should have put some more Darkling and Order Draconis units here and the Cogsmith) Red: High chance of getting removed I really hope my dear Steam Tanks will stay. Apart from the whole "mortals in this wacky high fantasy place!" part, that unit did the most to convince me to start with CoS. At least my Freeguild and Disposessed stuff might stay in.

If I'm reading into this correctly, the main Battletome will be "Cities of Sigmar" (like BT Orruk Warclans), with subfactions like Disposessed, Phoenix Temple, whatever the new humans will be called/Dawnbringer Crusades (Dawnbringer maybe like the Big Waaagh, where you can include stuff from all other subfactions? Or probably just the name for the new humans?)

Wanderers leaving would be a surprise to be sure. Maybe if we think GW has some plans for the future we could be getting some Coalition rules for Kurnothi whenever they happen to pop up as an army. Although I don't have any Wanderers (damn Sylvaneth sympathisers...), if I did, I know I would be pretty damn bummed about suddenly not having (as far as we know) any support outside of Legends. Disposessed and Phoenix Temple staying I expected (although never in a million years would I have thought we'd be getting Phoenix Temple instead of Wanderers), so I'm pretty happy my predictions came true on that front. I'd be a bit "disposessed" about not having my dworf flamethrowers. Darklings and Scourge Privateers staying are unexpected but, logical, I guess? Privateers have Misthavn as a city, so they have the same reason to stay as Phoenix Temple (although the Living City will be left with just Sylvaneth without Wanderers as 'unique' stuff), and (kinda weird to type out) Darkling Covens actually have some pretty unique and interesting lore, with each city's Covens being controlled by a single Sorceress, and mostly secretly being loyal to Morathi (and/or perhaps Malekith in the future?), so I think they could be sorta analogous to Genestealer Cults I guess. And maybe whenever we get Malekith Aelves some Darkling units could be coalitioned into that army. Add to that the fact that the current old DE units are imo some of the better looking sculpts in Cities that wouldn't have anywhere to go (apart from being refugees in DoK I guess?). Also, could this be some evidence for these "Arenai" being Darklings or Privateers instead of another DoK warband (how many have we had anyhow)? Edit: Also, how many new kits do people think this CoS refresh probably have? Lumineth had 9-ish in their first wave I guess (Freeguild + Flagellants + Ironweld humans make up around 8-9 kits), and Soulblight had 11, so I'm thinking around those numbers, as it would give us a good human core, and allow for perhaps 1-2 more "esoteric" units (new "Azyrite human" battlemage? Phoenix Guard? Steam Machine?) Editedit: Guess I was right in thinking this was going to be a spring release based on Lumineth and Soulblight. Changing my mind thinking it was summer is going in the grudge book, I suppose.

There is. Perhaps you were looking at which shows Warhammer Fest AND all remaining official 2022 events.

Might be just baseless speculation, but that lone Summer Battletome looks mighty suspicious... Perhaps a quick release just before (June)/a bit after 40k 10th edition (August)?

I don't know why, but for some reason these new minis seem different to me. Like, they aren't what I'm used to. It's like the last five years' releases, but the details toned up by 11. Same with the leaked 40k Guard stuff and CoS renders. I may be a bit optimistic, but I'm sorta expecting a similar jump in quality that we got in the 2016-2021 era, where Chaos mortal releases went from weirdly proportioned heroic scale to closer to true scale and hella more detailed. And hey, maybe I'll be able to get some absolutely amazing (probably sadly resin) new Yeomen for my Bretons/Greywater Canton Militia in 2-3 years time that'll absolutely knock these out of the park 😛

First look at new Freeguild Guard/Underworlds Warband?