Snorri Nelriksson

In AOS we at least have 2\3 origin stories about chaos worshipping Dwarves(Furnace Kings, that runeson inscribing pillars with praise to the father of darkness and Zharr Vyxa in Ulgu) and also Hashut lore bits here and there. Still Chaos darves symbolizes the evils of industrialization like pollution and other bad sides of society so they are a complex civilization. Considering Hashut was and his a Chaos god i don't think they'll go anywhere but in the Chaos GA, still they could have Hobgoblin troops\slaves as in the old world.

@dirkdragonslayerwe need an aos version of the Red Gobbo as the new main face of destruction. Age of Grots! BTW the Grot revolutionary makeshift vehicles coul be a nice idea to adapt for ramshackle grotbag scuttler skyhips.

Well, technically space marine Dreadnought are'nt suicide style troops so i'd say it's a different niche. Still as barely holding themsleves golems could be appealing too. Or even a shock attack gun style artillery piece that shoots lightning gheists XD.

Yes, that's what i'm thinking, still i did'nt remember they specified a marsh subgroup. Gloomspite already got two grots subspecies, why this new army can't do a mirror version of them with evil sun worship and other things? Grotbag are named many times already, and going by the naming style they got, GW is already hinting to have them in the future (Kharadron were at first called Steamheads for example while Slayers were hinted by the name redlayers). They could even subvert the idea and putting the third subgroup as the marsh ones as a Dank and shadow hating species forced to live in marshes and searching the Evil sun to warm them up (maybe cursed by the bad moon?). But also the Gnoblars\Boglars idea is tempting, as a full fledged faction they could finally shine. Still, as some already said,Fimir could be just some units added here and there like other monster sized infantry (as Troggoths and Minotaurs).

IIRC TOW should be too early for him (timeline should be set between 1360 IC and Magnus the Pious). Seeing the trailer though it seems a little bit different this iteration of Kislev, while bear riders and ice witches already existed in the lore the cannon sled seems a bit too much, the same for too much bears in some regards (like the space wolves using a wolf cavalry and so on). I hope they'll not exaggerate the concepts for TOW, the wilder ideas are for Aos and still the old world had also wilder ideas that could be capitalized without changing too much.

@VasshpitThey could use the Gorkamorka split state in Gork and Mork to have a civil war between "Gorkers" and "Morkers" XD. Or Evil sunz worshipper against Bad moon ones, with the two celestial object fighting and colliding. Still i really want to see the new army that's coming,the ideas that are rumored are great....by Grungni, even the "hypothesised\wishlisted" ones like Boglars and so on.

I don't like much the return of High vs Dark elves plot though. While i can see some skirmish i'd prefer that gw won't do that thing again without having a real motive for that.

And in Whfb at least the were 2 starter boxes with orcs and goblin so it will give that classic feel having some greenskins. About the "think wide" i'd love a not-dreadnought still maybe@Whitefang meant "wide army" so stormcast with Human auxiliaries ? XD

Considering skaven are a grotesque and evil Parody of modern society,sexism make sense in a sort of way. Also i think is a joke about lab-rats reprdouction but idk.

As far i remember in a story of Fyreslayers Broodmothers were mentioned, giving birth also to some monsters (perhaps Moulder clan?). Still Skaven society directly poured from old world into the new realms so i'd say they're not changed much.

@silverstuConsidering that the article mentions also monsters maybe the "gimmick" of this edition will be roaming monsters instead of endless spells (or both). Still the new gods could just mean Morathi and Kragnos (that's a demigod technically)...hoping for Valaya though, maybe the BR Teclis event could help in the return of the mother of the Dwarves.

I don't remember how they handled the 2nd edition reveal roadmap but it's possible that they'll show who are the not-stormcast force in the box sooner than expected?

What if some warbands hints some narratives advancement that will happen with the new edition though? Maybe they did'nt show anything cause it could spoiler something?

If they'll do TOW with the same process of HH modelwise (majority of models in resin) i think it will hurt the game. FW fantasy part always sold less than 40k\30k, still i'd love the detail of the HH books for Tow ones.

I agree on that though i'm a bit more optimistic. We know Grungni was working for the Dwarf people in Chamon as the "stormcast new armor" is a recent development not thought before the Bel'akor thing. In Soulbound they described him building reclamation engines for the dwarf to reclaim their holds and the Fyreslayer tomes says also that he's working on various possible things. Still the alliance betwen Grungni and Sigmar is a staple that should'nt be forgotten as Ghal Maraz itself is a symbol to that alliance between dwarves and men (unlike fickle elves). Still I'd say something for Grungni is definitely coming,with a third faction,hoping they'll be playing the classic point of dwarves: karaks,grudges and tradition. I'd love some things like Valaya Shieldmaiden\Valkyries, rune weapons and other traditional\spiritual things (contrasting the Atheistic Kharadron and the warrior-brotherhood feeling of the Fyreslayers). Perhaps they could throw in some Gholemkind auxiliary as they are mentioned in various books as being of Chamon. The possibilities are endless if GW does apply, and Gromthi attack on Bel'akor renew my hopes. After all Greenskins can be stopped only by the sons of Grungni.

I know that for someone may seems obnoxious but as SCE being similar to space marines i'd give them some lighting gheist construct like the dreadnought. Unable to be reforged anymore they'd get encased in a Sigmarite golem that fulfill some heavy assault role. Also we need a lord commander miniature.

It could be a clue, nice find. I'd love the expansion of some lesser greenskin sub-species of old, those two Goblins and Gnoblars WD armylists were interesting and also gave a nice overview about the greenskins adaptability. Still 19 days to go before knowing what it's inside the box or at least seems so... I hope they'll give us some hint\images about the destruction part before though.

@KingBroddProbably the reveal will be about soulblight new rules,monday model could be anything but i think 40k. Still surely before the end of the month they'll show something i think about the box, even just another teaser like the "Bad Moon speaking" one. @Grim Beastiesthe hand rumor engine was seen in an artwork of Cursed City so i think is something from death? The Gargant head on a flag makes me think about Grotbag Scuttlers but i would'nt get my hopes too up. Still i'd say at least the first 4 and 6th-7th images are from destruction models. @JackStreicherMortek guard increments are made with 10 models but are sold in 20 men boxes so perhaps Skeletons and Zombies will be the same.

I'm very pleased they made Zombies and Skeletons as 20 troops boxes. Hoping, if the new swamp factions will get some grots, they'll mantain that....

I'd say these icon are more similar to the whfb\GW greenskins classic ones. Still what does these mean though? They're sort of "tribute" to the evil sun, *idk* and Bad moon?

I agree with @KriticalKhan, Fimir like most of the old "forgotten pieces" should not be left in the bin. Even as a little gorup of units like trolls or as support for some other forces. Also the bronze age vibe is still unexplored in the realms (partially Kragnos though) so there's room for them in some way.

I hope Headbutting him very hard like the Old Grimgor against Archaon 😂😂.

I'd say at least a proper first or second wave for all the new 1st edition Aos armies left in shambles (Ironjawz,Fyreslayers and so on) and the legacy armies with too much finecast (like Skaven). If we're talking about brand new armies and or ideas going by GA: Order: Faithful of Sigmar reinforcement for Cities and\or Grungni-Valaya brand new classic-dwarves (perhaps absorbing old dispossessed). Death: Deadwalker own army, some meat monsters and zombie nobilty like in the lore. Chaos: Chaos duardin, is the only possible new angle still not explored in chaos forces (not counting FW models that got unfortunately canned). Destruction: Evil Sun worshipper or something like that mixing Grotbag air Grots and Gitmob wolf-riding grots, the first updating the old "contraptions" of goblins in whfb.

Fimir, like skaven and zoat, are ones of the "most original" Gw concepts of old though, if they want to get them back they could just cut off the bad lorepieces (that also beastmen had partially). Still i'd cast my lot with the new greenskin type. Ironically enough in whfb there were in some white dwarf armylists sea and swamp grots: the Troglagobs (goblin sea cousins) and Goblars/Boglars (swamp Gnoblars).

Good morning! I'm a long time lurker finally deciding to come on board XD. I own curently some cities( old whfb dwarf army mostly and some empire forces), Kharadron and bonereapers forces. I started with whfb dwarves and i really love them in any shapes we saw in whfb and Aos. Thanks everyone!