Lobeau, Thank you for your exhaustive reply and your unit by unit feedback. Quite right I was on the fence on this for the reasons you mentioned but then again better than realising down the line they are no longer available so I bit the bullet. Just ordered the mortar and Drazoath the Ashen! Will hopefully have time to build up the army over the coming months before Forgeowrld does something nasty like discontinue with no warning. Grrrr. .. I do wish they would let people know if they're going to discontinue it anytime soon and give people al last chance to get the models. I'm already worried that is happening since both the magma cannon and the deamon engine are 'temporarily out of stock' but this might be a regular thing? I read somewhere that they 'broke' the rocket mould and won't be re-doing it so its gone for good. Oh well we will see and adapt. there are some awesome proxies for some war machines I found which look pretty cool though not sure how they compare in terms of scale and quality. Look forward to building my obscure mid-range non competitive chaos army By far the coolest looking for me. I have a long term goal of collecting an army form each allegiance : )Have night haunt for Death, Kharadron for Order (they make a nice counterpoint to LoA I think!) and SoB for destruction. If you have any suggestions for proxies for the rockets let me know! Thanks all for your comments helped me make up my mind... so Chorfs here we come!!!!!!