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Any reason for running two Branchwraiths? Redundancy if one of them should die?

Good lord it would be such a letdown if he is Vokmortian levels of bad design. Don't jinx it.

And it’s also possible that the battle report was originally planned to coincide with the Lumineth release, and is now still being printed as normal even though the release of the actual army might be pushed back.

This whole ordeal actually got me back into GW games altogether! Working on a Sylvaneth army now and started with the cool stuff (now there’s 30 Dryads waiting for me...)

I came back to GW games fairly recently so I might be wrong, but don’t they usually run out of limited edition tomes and box sets very fast? I wouldn’t be surprised of they run out of Lumineth boxes quick.

The article has this to say about new releases: "Our focus right now is on getting you your hobby essentials. No news on when we’ll be unleashing new releases just yet. We’ll keep you posted." So while they are keeping it to already existing kits to begin with it is clearly a step in the right direction. It's worth to keep in mind that no one is more eager to start selling new stuff again than GW themselves, since they make a lot of their sales from new releases.

The news can also be found here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/28/reopening-soon-games-workshop-com/

That sounds incredibly optimistic. Do you have any sources for that or are you just speculating? Given that the UK is still in lockdown and looking like it will remain so for a while yet I can’t see GW getting back to production any time soon.

I will have to take back what I said about those hammer heads. They are all using the same (different) hammer design so it's definitely something more than just visual variation. Alternative weapon option seems likely, though it will be interesting to see how they differ from the other hammers, they are both fairly similar-sized hammers after all.

Oooh which ones are those? I loved the vampire coast stuff back in the WHFB days, would be amazing to see it again!

For actual product in hand we are going to have to wait until at the very earliest June-July, but likely much later than that. So regardless of spoilers etc (which we of course all want more of) it's going to be a long time yet until we can actually play these guys.

In fact Sylvaneth is a good comparison here. They also only have 9 different kits for units, plus two more for terrain and endless spells. So there is precedence for a faction to only have 9 kits for units.

Depends to be honest. Kurnoth Hunters are split across three warscrolls but the only difference is weapon options.

Could just be some visual variety for the unit as well. Impossible to tell if it's a separate weapon choice or just a hammer with a different look.

It's actually an even bigger difference than that. Lumineth have 25% less kits than Deepkin at the moment (12 vs 9). So I definitely think we are getting something more. I don't however think we are getting another entire elemental aspect worth of stuff. Probably another hero or two. I would love another unit of some sort but we'll see. They look playable as is, but will lack a bit of variation when it comes to list construction if this is it.

1. Leviadon 2. Eidolon aspects 3. Eel cavalry 4. Reavers 5. Thralls 6. Shark 7. Volturnos/King 8. Lotann 9. Soulrender 10. Soulscryer 11. Tidecaster 12. Boat terrain 12 kits. If you count the Start Collecting box as a 13th kit then Lumineth have 10 kits so far counting their starting box, not 9.

The Deepkin only have 12 kits, not 14.

This is starting to become a negative echo chamber of epic proportions. The world is currently undergoing the biggest upheaval since World War 2, of course this is going to seriously impact everything. I am sure this was not what GW had in mind when they laid out their plans for the Lumineth reveals but since they can't produce anything currently it is what it is. I've even seen someone saying that slowly waiting for these spoilers was "a pretty stressful situation" which is frankly ridiculous and an insult to people who actually have to deal with stress and fear these days. With that said, I took a look back at the articles GW have written so far since a common argument so far has been that they have widely mentioned all the four temples/elements. Take a look at this: "Following the teachings of Teclis, the Lumineth also learned to communicate with, and even channel, the geomantic spirits of Hysh – specifically those of the mountains, rivers, wind and zenith. This affected every aspect of their existence, from the knowledge they accumulated to the way they fought and the magic they employed. Lumineth warriors who bonded with the spirit of the mountain would be all but immovable in battle, stoically weathering the tide of enemies crashing against them, while their mages would bombard their foes with stones and crush them beneath rocks. This led the Lumineth to develop four distinct sub-cultures within their wider civilisation, each with its own orders of mages and warriors. By dedicating themselves, mind and soul, to the pursuit of furtherance, the Lumineth could better avoid the lure of Slaanesh." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "This is an Alarith Stonemage – an aelven wizard attuned to the power of the elements. This model isn’t just a brilliant example of what modern miniatures design technology can do (look how delicately they’re balanced!), it’s also a valuable battlefield unit that enhances nearby allies, as well as smiting enemies with gravity manipulating magic!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Lumineth take their strength from the very land of Hysh, and these aelves follow the aspect of the mountain, from which they inherit part of their might and resilience. That incredible centrepiece model is Avalenor, the Stoneheart King. He is the eldest and the wisest of the mountain spirits that march to war with the aelves. Take a closer look at the model that is redefining what it means to be part of an aelf army." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "These are the Alarith Stoneguard, the elite infantry of the Lumineth Realm-lords. They fight like immovable objects, wielding magical hammers that crush enemy skulls with a single blow. We hope that you’re ready to start seeing all of your problems as nails." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Lumineth are all about their connection to Hysh. They even fight alongside the very spirits of their realm, so choosing strong and powerful mountainous environments seemed like the best way to really convey their sense of grandeur and the vast magical power at their disposal. They are not the delicate elves of the world-that-was, these guys are pike- and hammer-wielding magical powerhouses with backup from all the geomantic spirits of Hysh – some of which literally represent the mountains themselves!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have omitted sentences where all the elements are mentioned equally, but it's pretty clear that when they mention a specific one it is always the mountain one. They mention how Lumineth bonding with the mountain fight, but not how the other temples fight. The wizard is "attuned to the power of the elements" but the only element mentioned has to do with gravity and the name is of course Stonemage. The blurb about "these aelves" following the aspect of the mountain has been read by many as meaning the specific models shown in the mountain preview, but could just as well be referring to the Lumineth army in general. The Stoneguard are emphasised as THE elite infantry, not one of several. When drawing the artwork they chose mountainous environments to emphasise the connection to the spirits of the realm (not just one spirit). All in all I think GW has provided plenty of evidence for this army to only contain the mountain aspect, not the other three. They others are mentioned so nothing is written in stone (…..) but there is a LOT more focus given to the stone part, even from the very beginning of these articles before they had shown off the rock boys.

Yeah it’s three generic ones (Scinari, rock mage, mountain spirit) and three named ones (Avalenor, Eltharion, Teclis).

The second one is more likely to be some form of Dark elf. The crystal on top looks just like the ones shown on the new Warcry warband. The first one looks like it could be Lumineth though, but the tassels look different from the ones we’ve seen so far as does the rest of the weapon shaft.

Speculation from both sides. The livestream and latest article were both ambiguous enough that both sides think they are right.

Agree with this. While I love all the model’s shown, it’s still a very small selection of things to use so if there’s nothing more then we won’t be able to make very varied lists.

This one is still unexplained I think: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/03/the-rumour-engine-september-3rd-2019/

When asked what they were looking forward to next from the Lumineth hey said that we have seen a lot of them and they want to see them on the table being played. So yes, sounds like we've seen at least most, if not all of them.

Because a fair amount of members in here have hyped up their expectations for these reveals to unrealistic levels. All of this was supposed to be shown at one show over one weekend. Getting to see a new unit, three new heroes (of which two are monsters), a limited edition starter box and a rules tease is a pretty great amount of stuff for one weekend.