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What's your brutally-honest opinion of this list? I'd appreciate your thoughts:
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Astral Templars
Lord-Relictor (100)
- General
- Trait: Dauntless Hunters
- Prayer: Translocation
Lord-Ordinator (140)
Knight-Azyros (100)
- Artefact: Godbeast Plate
Knight-Heraldor (100)
Spellweaver (100)
- Heartwood Staff
- Allies
Spellweaver (100)
- Heartwood Staff
- Allies
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
15 x Evocators (600)
- 15x Grandstaves
- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning
Celestar Ballista (100)
Celestar Ballista (100)
Celestar Ballista (100)
Celestar Ballista (100)
Chronomantic Cogs (60)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 200 / 400
Wounds: 133
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3 hours ago, HammerOfSigmar said:
Dauntless hunder+heraldor+cog=6"+7"+D6"+2"+2D6"=15+3D6", which is 25" on average, to make it more reliable , if the run roll is bad, spend 1CP to make it a 6", so it will be 21+2D6", which is 28" on average.
Cheers. That's great range. I question the reliability of Cogs though...
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On 5/29/2019 at 6:44 AM, PJetski said:
Slamming 15 Evocators into your opponent turn 1 after buffing in the hero phase is quite interesting... but it can already be done with Astral Templars
How do you envisage Astral Templars reliably delivering Evocators in Turn 1? Dauntless Hunters + Heraldor + ?
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Well I'm gonna take this to a mates tournament. I reckon Empower rules and I'll try to cast it a lot on the artillery to rain death. I'll use command points on the Judicators to make them super reliable. There's lots of wounds to chew through as well.
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Astral Templars
Lord-Castellant (100)
- General
- Trait: Dauntless Hunters
- Artefact: Godbeast Plate
Lord-Ordinator (140)
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
5 x Judicators (160)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Shockbolt Bows
20 x Sequitors (400)
- Tempest Blades and Soulshields
- 9x Stormsmite Greatmaces
5 x Evocators (200)
- 5x Grandstaves
- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning
5 x Evocators (200)
- 5x Grandstaves
- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning
5 x Evocators (200)
- 5x Grandstaves
- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning
Celestar Ballista (100)
Celestar Ballista (100)
Celestar Ballista (100)
Celestar Ballista (100)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Wounds: 154
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22 minutes ago, Darksteve said:
Just spam the Celestial Vindicator command ability.
You can't, per the Stormcast FAQ.
22 minutes ago, Darksteve said:Let me know what i missed.
Bloodmad Warband.
We have a range of ways to buff their attacks. Two of them are just always-on auras and, while the others are a little more costly, they can be used on other units too.
The army design has always been about support characters and networks of attacks buffs to some degree or another. Blood Warriors were designed with that in mind I think, right back from the very beginning.
I still wouldn't say no to a price drop of course. ;-)
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12 hours ago, Darksteve said:
If by "different" you mean bafflingly worse then sure. I love warriors I just think that the way they've been laid out in terms of special weapons and conditional abilities is weird when you look at a unit like sequitors for example
Can Sequitors be given 4 extra attacks each? Context is kinda important.
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If Reavers were 10 for 60pts, and 40 for 200pts, I could see myself taking maybe a single massive regiment shadowed by a Warshrine in a Gore Pilgrims list, and probably still not in a tourney. Other than that very specific scenario, I don't think my usage would change much.
It's a bit sad because I really dig the models, especially the champion with his forked beard and fangs.
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Do you people still worry about drops with SCE? I kinda just totally gave up on that except for Skyborne Slayers. In fact my deployments tend to go on forever, and I like to see what the opponent is doing in total, because I just assume I won't deploy first. Maybe it's just coz of the particular armies I'm facing.
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1 hour ago, Twh30 said:
Sorry if sounds dumb question but where do I find the skyborne slayers battalion and what is it?
Can't even remember which book it's in. One of the really old obsolete/irrelevant ones like Godbeasts or something. I just google-imaged it.
190pts
1 Lord-Celestant
2 Libs
2 Judicators
1 Protectors
1 Decimators
Everyone is immune to battleshock and can be deployed in Azyr irrespective of Scions. Everyone can airdrop within 12" of a point on the field, and 5" away from the enemy.
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10 hours ago, armisael said:
Do we have a good list that still use old unit of Stormcast? i.e. Paladin, Dracothian Guard or Lord celestant on foot.
I think Skyborne Slayers is still very competitive (airdrop the battalion and then 5 inch charges with a Lord Celestant + Sword of Judgement + 3 command points = 5 attacks doing 1d6 mortals each on 3s to Hit against the biggest Hero or Monster you can find).
However my favourite version of this has a brick of 20 Sequitors deployed on the field with an Incantor (Staunch Defender), Castellant and Relictor, and the Sequitors are at 2+ rerolling 1s with Azyrite Halo and a Spellmirror artefact affecting them too. Quite a resilient phalanx!
If the enemy "clams up" out of fear of the imminent Slayers airdrop, you can potentially just leave them in Azyr for another turn and try to cap objectives using the doggie or Translocation.
(Credit to @AdamR for basically this list)
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26 minutes ago, Twh30 said:
with lot deployment being 18” away
Sorry what does this mean mate?
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Has anyone considered working Fulminators into an Astral Templars list? A Heraldor plus the free 6" move before the first battle round leaves them with an easy Turn 1 charge. That seems like it could combine well with the usual Templars ballistae platform (to clear screens).
My main concern is that I suspect the number of situations where they wouldn't get instantly murdered by counterpunch is getting smaller in today's meta...
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3 hours ago, Sleboda said:
How are people keeping their Bloodsecrator alive?
Thronebreaker's Torc > Skullshard Mantle
Cover + Look out, Sir!
Multiple imminent threats/distractions (#1 for me)
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6 hours ago, fwlr said:
Hey guys just realized my post kind of got lost at the end of the last page, and I'd really like people to give their opinions on what makes a bombass competitive stormcast list and how I can make one.
Cheers.
Anvils - If you're gonna go with Raptors, I'd strongly recommend that you build Longstrikes. They do something unique and powerful. Hurricanes are fine for 140, but the Anvils command is much more effective for Longstrikes' sniping.
Battalions - there's really only one I'd consider for your models: Cleansing Phalanx. I'd want at least 20 Sequitors in the list to justify it though.
Arcanum general/unlocking Sequitors - lately I've not even been using an Arcanum general, and just going with 3 Libs min tax and a big blob of non-Battleline Sequitors as my main brick. It helps me get my armies up to 150-160 wounds, which is a lot to chew through (and really helps with objectives and defending my missile platform). I noticed you have 3 units of Libs, so you might want to play around with this.
Castellant - definitely get this guy. He should be your next purchase.
Stormhosts - it's not the most popular, but I really like Astral Templars at the moment. I use a full Ballista gunline with Ordinator, and this is the host that works best with those. It's quite anti-meta, with an army-wide +1 to hit Monsters so my Ballistae are hitting big important stuff on 3s with the multi-shot. I no longer live in fear of Death lords on giant gribblies. Hammersand Anvils are much more popular hosts, and I suspect you already know why.
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30 minutes ago, AverageBoss said:
Unsupported, each averages 1 damage per combat phase against 4+ armor. That is not good for a 60pt per model investment. On a point for point basis, Glaivewraith Stalkers outdamage them based on raw combat stats.
Fore sure, if you make totally unsupported, non-charging warscroll damage output your sole consideration. Not sure why you'd do that though, especially with Khorne...
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Hey guys, I don't do this often at all, so I'd really appreciate your advice. I'm partnering with very skinky Seraphon against Legions of Nagash and FEC in a 2x1200. Random scenario, but no one will play Places of Arcane Power or Realm rules.
My partner and I were thinking that he could be annoying, shooty and summon, whereas I could bring some beef. It's quite a boring list, but could you let me know your criticisms or alternate approaches please?
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer
Lord-Castellant (100)
- General
- Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
Knight-Heraldor (100)
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warblade & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
20 x Sequitors (400)
- Tempest Blades and Soulshields
- 9x Stormsmite Greatmaces
10 x Evocators (400)
- 10x Grandstaves
- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning
Total: 1200 / 1200
Extra Command Points: 0
Wounds: 101
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42 minutes ago, Kaz said:
As far as a Juggerlord is concerned, I dunno about y’all, but do you guys prefer mighty Lord to the Juggerlord? Both seem absolutely awesome.
I want to be convinced! Since their commands were downgraded (along with a few Khorne artefacts) and their points went up, I find it a bit hard to get excited about either of them. What am I missing?
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2 hours ago, Marzillius said:
No, not if you have only one +1 save buff on them.
If you have the lantern and staunch and get wounded by a rend -1 attack you would heal on 6s again. Against rend -2 no heals.
If I remember correctly, back in the old days of Warhammer, a 7+ used to mean rolling a 6 then rolling again and getting a 4+. I take it there's zero mention of this sort of thing anywhere in AoS literature.
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3 hours ago, Ravinsild said:
If you are playing Grand Alliance Chaos sure, but not as specifically Khorne.
If you are running as literally Blades of Khorne from the Battletome then no you can’t. Khorne’s list of allies are labeled out.
2 hours ago, Galdenistal said:That's good to know, back to building a list ...
You can ally in any Pestilens unit because it has the Nurgle keyword.
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59 minutes ago, Judicator said:
Even if its not top tier
Looks bloody clever to me man. All the single Bloodthirster lists I've been writing just seem so fragile, CP-hungry and prone to hamstringing from even moderately shooty armies. Congrats on your victories!
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6 hours ago, Sneeto said:
Can a chaos lord on manticore take the gorecleaver? Azyr app isn’t letting him.
its not always right but my thinking is yes..
hes mortal with Khorne Keyword so I don’t see why he wouldnt
Yes, he can. Could work well with the flail (6 base attacks, damage 2 becomes damage 4 on 6s to wound). I'm still pretty convinced that Runic Blade / Dimensional Blade + Daemon Blade is consistently the nastiest.
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8 hours ago, ChaosUndivided said:
I do have to say tho he feels very over costed due to the fact that he pretty much either needs a command trait + artifact or dedicated buff support (which he will undoubtedly be much faster than) just to be the killing machine you need him to be at that point level. It felt like a drain of resources to devote so much to just him.
I think the fully invested Mantilord (as Goretide general) is more than twice as good as a fully invested Juggerlord or Mighty Lord, and he's less than twice the cost (I still don't get why they raised the points on those two guys).
I also think you should play him at his best at least once. ;-)
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11 minutes ago, ChaosUndivided said:
I love mortals and like running this guy even if he is sub par but im willing to bet a BToIR is just way better choice for 30 points more.
For sure, nobody will argue against the Rage Thirster's base capabilities. Mantilord has zero MW output.
But for every Attacks buff that can be brought to bear the fully-tooled Mantilord gets twice the benefit on his already-amped double weapons plus extras on his mount's (admittedly poor) double weapons. My guy charging with 2 buffs:
6 3 3 -3 d3+1
5 3 3 -1 4
7 4 2 -1 1
d6+2 4 4 0 1
Plus, yeah, I like Mortals too! And the Mantilord has been VERY hard done by throughout several (all?) editions of Warhammer, and this is the first opportunity to run one that can actually hit like a freight train despite the large investment.
Sorry if that seemed preachy or stating the obvious. I agree with everything you said, but I'm still excited about using him.
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8 hours ago, ChaosUndivided said:
I gave the CLoM the command trait which i completely forgot about all game and the goretide artifact
Ah dude, that's super frustrating. The whole point of the Manticore Lord is to give him Hew the Foe (and -3 Rend on his blade via a Malign Artefact IMHO).
Thanks heaps for the batrep though. I hope he gets another run. My guy is still only partially assembled and unpainted.
AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion
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I thought Translocation would be useful for grabbing late game/shifting objectives. The other main use I envisaged for the Relictor was the -1 to hit from Lightning Storm for nearby combats to slow down the destruction of my Liberator speed bumps/blockers.
Yeah, the Spellweavers are purely for their dispel scrolls. I do like rerolling to cast Cogs though. Super important.
Thanks!