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So the changes for the new GHB that I can see are: Akhelian King down 10 pts Thralls down 10 pts Eidolon and Turtle....have not changed....weird flex GW but ok. On the plus side my KO list which I am building should be great against meta armies like Seraphon, LRL, Mortek and Tzeentch is 100 pts cheaper now lol. I really wanted to focus on an akhelian corps list. I am still going to play it because I play what I love but it is nice playing all the models you enjoy in a more competitive setting without feeling like too much of a handicap is going on.

Oh baaaabbbby. I didn't jump on the LRL because I thought Teclis was UgLy but I have this crazy hope for Soulblight :). October 2020 let's do ittt. Vamp attack.

You do you. On a rumour related note I am really hoping for some points drops on my Eidolon and Turtle. Hopefully the rumours "leak" haha. How many GHBs will it take to get my Turtle Franklin to 250 points 🤪.

Cool story. Most people on this forum do enjoy old Fantasy Lore and don't hate on WHFB daily but just FYI your constant negativity mostly relates to yourself and your own feelings on AOS; not sure if you are trolling or just a really unhappy dude :P. I preferred the old lore before the End Times but I am still enjoying AOS lore much more and I feel like it is constantly getting better. As far as the game it is vastly superior lol. Not even a conversation.

You sir, have a good head on your shoulders.

I have always thought of the Namarti as the toughest and most muscular Elves (all natural baby, lift heavy and eat right). The 5+ FNP feels natural for them but I am sure they can think of other ways to make them more durable. I am definitely not a rules writer :p. These jacked dudes on 32mm with double handed weapons just feel Meh to me on the tabletop. With things like witch aelves and realm lords running around I would love some Jacked Pointy Eared Fishy Boiz with a 5+ FNP. Even with that they wouldn't really feel over powered I believe. Maybe I will try a game with a buddy trying that out and see if it feels too good.

With the shooting right now that so many armies have any buffs or synergies that don't require a 5 wound hero are much appreciated :P. I will take a 5+ FNP please for all of my Namarti please and spank you. Make their weapons 2 inches at the same time. Spiiicy.

It is nice to see this thread so active with my fellow Fishy Boiz! I think LRL will be hard for anyone to defeat. Can you imagine using a standard army that is magic heavy like Gloomspite....just leave your casters at home :p. A solid player will definitely have Mr. T (I pity the foul who doesn't think the Teclis mini is ugly) protected from the Scryer. After seeing how ugly Teclis is I realise how bald and beautiful our minis are lmao. Something I love about Eels is how if you run a bunch of Eels you can still throw in some fun units and play semi competitive. I regularly throw in a Prime or Eidolon or Turtle and it balances out to a semi-competitive list. I think when playing games not in a tourney it doesn't feel oppressive for my opponent. Playing a tooled up Tzeentch list for example is not fun for most but Deepkin lists usually feel like you have a chance. We are by no means OP but I think we can still do well in major events by playing the objectives. That said, our Tome is feeling the power creep and I think it will continue to do so. I am excited for a new tome not because I want to smash all the LRL and OBR players out there but I just want to have more variety.

Right now with the Casters in Seraphon, Tzeentch, and the Lumineth coming I feel bad for armies that rely on casting. The Honest Wargamer had a good talk on this with Vince from Warhammer Weekly where you will either have to go all in on magic or none at all. Ya, I would love to not have to rely on Eel Spam to win. I usually take a bunch of Eels and then take someone else as a Tax that I just like (an Eidolon for example).

Haha you could definitely do an Embailor on some Sea Slug Chariot. I just read Court of the Blind King this past February while on a little trip in Colombia and I noticed that the Soulrender was picking up the souls just like I thought based on the model so maybe they have to be closer up or it is easier on foot? As for the magic you are spot on. Right now it is basically King, Scryer, Bunch of Eels and then I throw in an Eidolon or Prime to make it a little less competitive but still semi comp; if I want to just have fun with some buddies I throw in a Turtle and a bunch of Sharks or Namarti. I really like the army it is so unique but just needs some fine tuning and diversification. Maybe we will get lucky and a dual box will be made. Mortals of Slaanesh and Deepkin in a new box :P. You never know!

Interesting take for sure. I am actually thinking we may get something similar to 40k Psychic Awakening for Aos. I think this partly due to the rumour engines being all over the place but this could just be a bunch of warbands for those random little mini games like beastgrave etc. But of course I have no idea and would welcome the thought of slowly released battletomes! For me personally I really feel like despite the range being small it is all so beautiful that if there was just 1 or even no new models in a Battletome I would be cool with that. The big thing for me is being able to use all the minis I own on the board without feeling like it is a large disadvantage (looking at you Franklin the turtle and Mr. Eidolon). A great example to replicate would be the new KO battletome. I just purchased a huge lot so I am by no means a KO expert but there are just so many different ways to play the army and lists to build. Zilfin is very competitive but you can still play the other lists and have a decent chance to win and most units are viable. But I do like the positive energy in the thread because I would really like a new battletome this year!

Thanks for the valuable information. I will make sure to correct everyone at my local gaming store and if I am asked where I received the info I will just say "from a really fun guy on the internet, the life of the party".

I really hope we do get a new battletome. We are super lucky in that it is an older battletome but has stood the test of time to a decent degree but I love Deepkin like a fat kid loves cake so a new battletome sounds delish. The Namarti def should have 2 inch range and a way to make them survive. I would prefer them to not just go down in points because I do like playing an elite army but just that they do not die to a stiff breeze. The Leviadon idea for a 5+ FNP sounds great and would not be over powered as well. The Eidolons really need to become more powerful. These centrepiece models are so beautiful and I use one because I love the model but it is so under powered. Especially when you read something like Court of the Blind King and see how they can just wreck face.

Oh I thought you meant the game itself. I was like what the game is so popular but ya I feel ya. Ya I play both games and love me some Grim Dark but I love Fantasy much more than Sci Fi and it is nice that AOS has a different feel.

The archer support sounds like it could be interesting but my Deepkin have been pretty competitive without this on the strength of Eels alone. I am not a fan of the lumineth so I dont think I will soup them in. I utilize a Celestant Prime, Soulscryer, Akhelian King and more Eels than a sushi bar and I can usually kill who I need to kill. Sometimes I will throw in Namarti to flip the tides for fun and sharks but if I am going uber competitive with a friend's similar list then no. I think a solid option will still be Shadow warriors unless they go up in points. I am reallllly hoping with the new GHB that Turtles and Eidolons go wayyyyyy down. Deepkin are my first AOS army after quitting gaming for years and my biggest nerdy love.

Oh I gotcha. Ya playing both games and being into Lore like most AOS/40k players are to a degree I agree with that. The story for AOS seems to have been more progressive and 40k in the past has not been. 40k seems to be changing that. They alluded to some big models being released for 40k this Christmas so it looks like the story may be advancing more as another Primarch could be released (good and/or bad) not to mention the Silent King is coming and a large new novel range. In AOS I love that there are so many large and powerful character models for a centerpiece and 40k seems to be adopting that more. At least to me it seems that way :P.

Hey I was reading through the post and was just wondering what you meant by "stagnation and decline of 40k"?

Beautiful eels! Could you post some pics or a little tutorial of how you pinned them? Mine are falling over every week lol.

As long as I can point an Ironclad with 20 Thunderers first turn and a Warp Lightning Vortex or Comet right in the worst centrepiece of the age known as Teclis I will be happy :).

Bullet dodging is perfect 😌. If Seraphon would have come out with new models or Soulblight or Mountain Dwarves I probably would have given in! I purchased a used lot of KO for like 65% off retail so I have to get this done first so no complaints here though.

You are so right! I play both games and I am sure I am biased but the AOS range is so beautiful. I play Harlequins in 40k so my minis are not too shabby but 40k really needs a huge overhaul on minis and I am hoping the Necrons are just the tip of the iceberg. Armies like Eldar could use some love. I am so glad the Lumineth range wasn't for me because I have more time to work on the armies I have until something catches my eye maybe next fall/winter.

That is pretty awesome! That is why I love AOS is there is usually something for everyone. I am not interested in Lumineth (not my type of Cow-azy) or Gargants but I know I can keep working on the armies I enjoy and becoming a better player until something I am interested in like crazy Vampire Pirates or Gholem toting Dwarves come along.

The latest Hammerhal Herald "ethically sourced and imported from Morthaven" Vampire Pirates? 😰. https://www.warhammer-community.com/hammerhal-herald/#hammerhal-1

If you are aiming for narrative and having fun play as many battalions as you would like :). If you are looking for competitive or semi-competitive a single battalion at most is best. You can use iron sky to keep drops low if you have the reqd models but if not don't worry about drops. My main army is Deepkin and when I am making a competitive list or even sem-comp I am always high drop. Of course that is different for KO but all you have to do is checkout a bunch of Tournament Lists for example the last Cancon. Multiple battalions are just not efficient. Especially for an army like KO which normally lacks bodies on the board. The good thing is our battalions are not hot garbage like Deepkin even if they aren't amazing. I you aren't net listing and just looking for ideas and inspiration for list building it is often a good idea to look at others who have done well in tournaments. KO haven't had much play because of the recent Pandemic but there are still some tournament lists that have done fairly well. I would recommend checking out the Aethercast on youtube or going on the Kharadron Overlords facebook page as there is a pdf with a bunch of tournament lists from our recent battletome.

Bueno! Glad I have been doing it right this whole time haha thank you.