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2 hours ago, AR605 said:
What do you think of the List below?
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer
Knight-Venator (110)
- General
- Command Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Shockbolt Bow
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Shockbolt Bow
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Shockbolt Bow
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Shockbolt Bow
6 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (340)
6 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (340)
3 x Aetherwings (40)
3 x Aetherwings (40)
3 x Aetherwings (40)
3 x Aetherwings (40)
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)
Total: 1990 / 2000
Wounds: 165Aetherwings are a MVP unit that's a given, especially when used in conjonction with Vanguard raptors. But why do you want to use Griffons? They're too expensive, don't have anything worth talking about. Why 4*5 Judicators? It doesn't feel judicious for buffing if needed.
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33 minutes ago, Mark Williams said:
Gotrek feels like a crutch, and it makes me sad. I would have lost against two of the armies I faced if I didn’t have him, and there’s nothing in my battletome that can replace him that will do anything remotely similar. He’s literally the only thing that scares people, and the only thing that survives a round of return attacks. He’s a constant reminder to me that the game is starting to feel a bit “stupid” from where it was 3 years ago when I started. Without his ability to kill things he touches, my armies damage output would be cut by 1/3. He does _that_ much work in games. I frankly don’t see a reason that I wouldn’t include him in any alliance tournament list at this point if I were aiming to place, and that makes me feel very conflicted about the state of the game.
Gotrek is what the Celestant Prime should be.
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11 minutes ago, Mark Williams said:
Just finished a 2 day tournament with my gav bomb list. Placed 4th out of 19 players. Missed 3rd by a single auxiliary objective. Best I’ve ever done at an event so I’m stoked.
Congrats on the results and thanks for the Battle Report.
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8 hours ago, Primes said:With our new points I am thinking of the following 4-Drop List (no sense in competing with KO, Tzeentch for 1 Drop, everything else seems to be at least 5 Drop?).
Or you can do a total opposite and focus on shooting : https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/26289-maturins-emporium-of-wonky-lists/?do=findComment&comment=444335
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6 minutes ago, Hannibal said:
Well, there are some beautiful models in Grand Alliance Order that do not only look amazing, but also allow for a whole "deepstrike" force. Skyborne Slayers would compliment such a collection. That's it. It's all about the option to deploy nothing at the start of the game.
Which one are you thinking about ? Khinerais?
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25 minutes ago, Gutlord said:
Any advice from you stormcast veterans is much appreciated
Loks like you don't need advices! Your painting is great
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8 hours ago, Mark Williams said:
Sorry, I think I'm getting old and losing my patience for internet debates.
Apologies accepted.
8 hours ago, Mark Williams said:I guess that didn't come across very well.
That's the problem with internet communication. Happens to me too.
8 hours ago, Mark Williams said:What I was trying to say is that I don't want to go back and forth on this issue for multiple posts, and that if you understand my point of view but don't agree with it, that's the best interaction that I can hope for with you.
Agreed. That's what I usually do IRL. I've got a very strong opinion about some stuff. when I disagree I say my piece then if people don't bring that subject again, I don't either.
8 hours ago, Mark Williams said:I just want you to see my side of things and then I want to bow out of the discussion and go do something else with my time.
I have no problem with that, when it's formulated when you just did. But sometimes it's worth debating. See, we've now established your vision of the rule is correct, grammar wise. But we've also found by looking at some other warscrolls that some units have the "Roll a dice for each unit" sentence.
Isn't it interesting!?
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3 minutes ago, Snoogens said:
My vote goes for one D3 rolled, each unit takes that damage.
This is of course based on my own opinion, but because other rules specify ‘roll a dice for each terrain feature’ (Volcanic) or ’roll a dice for each enemy unit’ (Storm Breath).
Other examples would also include Lady Olynder’s Wail of the Damned. This further cements that if ‘roll a dice for each enemy unit’ isn’t mentioned, then there’s only one dice to be rolled.
Good exemple also.
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26 minutes ago, LordCelestant Imperius 1st said:
Lord celestant on dracoth maybe ? It says each the same way as the prime. But it is mw on a 4+. So you have to roll for each unit i guess
This one is interesting because it actually does say :
"In your shooting phase, you can pick a point on the battlefield within 12" of this model that is visible to them. Roll a dice for each enemy unit within 2" of that point. On a 4+ that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds."
What about non stormcast units ? Are there no splash damage attacks in Aos ? I know nurgle can do that with the 6th spell but it also says just each.
Grammatically speaking Schwabelle is right. But here is a clear exemple of a warcrolls stating that a dice must be rolled for each unit. -
4 minutes ago, Nizrah said:
@Maturin where can i find warrior brotherhood battalion?
Grand Alliance: Order
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On 8/2/2020 at 1:09 AM, Nizrah said:
Sadly yes, ******. Thats a bummer. But i can just take LC for one of the 5 Judi. And its still should work.
How about that list (2 drops) and you've got 100 points left :
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar
Leaders
Knight-Vexillor (110)
- Pennant of the Stormbringer
- Treasured Standard (Artefact): Lichebone Standard
Knight-Azyros (100)
- General
- Command Trait: We Cannot Fail
Lord-Celestant on Dracoth (200)
- Tempestos Hammer & Thundershield
- Artefact: God-forged Blade
- Mount Trait: Keen-clawed
Battleline
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows
Units
10 x Protectors (340)
- 4x Starsoul Maces
10 x Decimators (340)
- 4x Starsoul Maces
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
Battalions
Warrior Brotherhood (170)
Total: 1900 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 133
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Is there a unit in AOS who does damage or MW in a radius, but the same for all units ?
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4 minutes ago, schwabbele said:
Kind off, mentioning french made me assume English is not your first language, so I decided for me bringing grammar in the equation is probably not the best. ( I know as a German speaker , native translated rules can even be more confusing when compared to the english ones )
but nothing against you or french people
No you were right to use grammar and not in game reasoning. As I stated in the post before this one, each does carry a certain meaning just as you said. I'm still struggling with the fact that I was probably wrong, but grammar wise your logic is correct.
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I have to say, I finally agree with the detractors of "all the units suffer the same MW output".
"Each" does carry the notion that you have to consider individually the unit inside the linguistic container that englobes them.
Every wouldn't carry that notion adn thus it could be argued for both cases.
I stand corrected.
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@schwabbele You're out because I'm french ? Wow.
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How do you guys keep your prime alive ? I try to put him whenever I can, into terrain to get+1 save. Mystic shield on him would be good too if you can give him +1 save, especially now that the drake can take the perfect plate of protection.
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12 hours ago, Mark Williams said:
My concern, as with the Longstrike debate, is the level of confidence that you're placing in your answers on the public forum. We're in a stormcast group where everyone here has a vested interest in having it work a certain way, so you're in a situation where you can easily create an echo chamber where everyone eagerly agrees with you and doesn't want to see it any other way.
I understand the point you make, but your next sentence is once again, very strangely worded.
12 hours ago, Mark Williams said:If you at least admit that it's open to interpretation and that the rule is vaguely worded, that's good enough for me to agree to disagree.
I don't have to admit to anything, I'm not a criminal and I'm not guilty of anything. You're not the supreme authority on SCE rules neither am I. I don't require anything from you, you have your opinion on the rule, I have mine. Freedom of thoughts and speech.
In the end it doesn't really matters. When we play somewhere, we have to accept how the To will interpret the rules anyway.
I do wish those rules were written in a clearer way, that would save us some time "fighting" about how to interpret them.
Have a good day.
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13 minutes ago, Scurvydog said:
Tournament over. Ended up winning 3 out of 5 games and had a lot of fun overall.
My list:
LCoSD
Game 1 was against KO as I mentioned before. Despite trying to zone him out some with kroak and 3 units of liberators (rest in the skies)
THE LIST WHERES THE LIST
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14 minutes ago, Mark Williams said:
The Prime’s comet strike is worded vaguely. Both interpretations can be valid by the way that it’s worded. Rolling a single D3 for the damage instead of for every unit gives you an advantage because you can change the result of the dice with the fates ability.
My preference is that when I’m given a vaguely worded rule that can be interpreted in one of two ways, I choose the one that is worse for me instead of best. I think this is generally a good way to go when looking at rules that could go either way, and it might be a reason the TO rules to roll seperately for each unit.
There was the same heated kind of debate about Longstrike's 24" or 30" before the movement phase, with you and some other guys.
You were a staunch supporter of the 24" rule before any movement applied. You were right as when it got FAQed, it's your vision of the rules that was applied.
Now the thing is, you as an individual always choose to take the side of what's worst for you. That's your right.
Now, when I play, I go for what seems to be the most logical. Not whats best for me or whats worst. Sometimes, logic dictates that my opponent gets a really strong feature. Sometimes it's my army.
When you play a 340 points, 3+ save with no invulnerable save 8 wound heroes that can miss a lot with no built in RR fails hits or wounds but has access to ONE result of his choice for ANY(almost) Roll of his choice, it just seems logic, since not contradicted by the rules, that his Scepter attack does the same amount of MW in a radius, and in this case, yes, you can choose it. It seems highly illogical to have a hero as expensive, if he doesn't get at least a trick. -
Just now, Mattrulesok said:
So this came up in a game the other day, I read it as you roll a d3 and every unit within the radius takes that many wounds rather than rolling for each but I asked my opponent to read the rule and pick what interpretation they thought fit best and they went for the same even though it meant they would lose 2 heroes from it, so take that for what you will.
Well that's good gesture on your behalf.
That's how we've played the prime, you can read dozens of pages in the Starcast thread with @Turragor and @Marcvs. -
49 minutes ago, Kramer said:
Sir, yes sir. 💂
The warscroll says; ‘ each unit within d6” of that point suffers D3 mortal wounds’
I’ve always interpreted this as roll the d6, check which units are within range. Roll a D3 for each unit.
in the end it’s just annoying that GW isn’t more exact and standardised with how they word things like those. Similar abilities are/were differently worded on different warscrolls. So I think, especially with an older warscroll, that the comparison to a similar ability doesn’t make it a certainty.Alright lads, atten'hut!
Yeah, GW wording's are inconsistent as they can be that's why we need to check out other scrolls to understand sutff. Pain in the buttocks.-
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1 hour ago, Nizrah said:
I dont think so. My TO rules it that you roll for each unit.
Is it written "roll for each unit" on the warscroll ?
If yes, then proceed as the TO says.
If it's written "does D3MW in a D6" then you do as I said.
A good comparison is the Stardrake warscroll. It does say you have to roll for each unit. The Prime's one doesn't.-
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Starcast - The Thread
in Stormcast Eternals
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Vexillor with meteoric pennant ?