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23 minutes ago, Kramer said:
Absolutely. My experience with black templar is that in a thin coat the highlights are quite grey. That's on a wraithbone primer. So a slightly darker primer might get you to where you want.
Are you generally thinning with water or the contrast medium? Is there any difference?
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31 minutes ago, Kramer said:
You could even try a diluted Black templar contrast on top of it to get to almost black and it gives you the first build up of color
That's also a great idea! Pretty easy to bring it down to black then if I prime dark grey instead of trying to highlight up.
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1 hour ago, hammer49 said:
Though id maybe not use black but a very dark grey or dark brown so you still have the option of black for shading
Thanks for the tip!
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8 hours ago, Redking said:
Probably just go with the normal black paint job and add some weathering powders. You might also try a Tyrant Skull drybrush to get the coloring you want, but the powders will give you a better dirty feel.
This is great, thank you! To be honest, I never even knew weathering powders were a thing, but they seems exactly what I need though. Thanks a lot!
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Hey everyone,
Im looking to achieve the blackish and weathered / sandswept ruins look as seen in the video game Conan Exiles.
Problem is I am not sure how to 1) achieve the right black look to make it weather and 2) to add what looks like the sandy / browny coloured sand weathering seen on the top.
Does anyone have any tips on how to achieve this on say the Bone-Tithe Nexus or on some larger base rocks for instance?
Here are some reference pics:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnUcHppWgAAsc5-?format=jpg&name=largehttps://gameranx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/20180517110715_1-700x438.jpg (not the best quality pic, but it highlights where the sand is falling at least).
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Hey everyone,
I'm not very versed in the world of mini painting and I'm wanting to follow a suggestion and base my minis with a black, Rhinox Hide, 50/50 Rhinox Hide & Death Claw (probably optional), Straight Death Claw Zenithal Style.
However, I don't have an airbrush so would like to ask if there are any spray paints that are close to the GW Rhinox Hide and Death Claw paint colours? Bonus points if there is somehow a spray that is in between these two colours (to use as the 50/50 part of the process).
If there is nothing similar enough, would just a dark brown and then a light brown work you think? What about a just straight, black, grey and white zenithal style priming? I'm going for a very weathered stone & sand type of look. Black undercoat, then the zenithal process mentioned above, then sponge sandish colours, wash, then drybrush ushabti.Any help is appreciated! Thank you!
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55 minutes ago, Bayul said:
New players starting with a SCE or NH army from Soul Wars
I forgot that I left on notifications for this thread and my phone has been blowing up this past hour. Thanks guys......
Anyway, I wanted to focus on this bit in particular, because I picked up AoS with these two armies as well and I want to give you a bit of context as to why you may feel your warscrolls are a bit weaker, beside the usual "power creep" discussion. I'm not going to go into power creep because whilst on the face of it I do agree books now are stronger than before, on the other hand this may be an intentional GW move to make factions more unique and older tomes will get the same treatment along the road (i.e. SCE and NH).
Like I said, I started AoS with the Soul Wars stuff and loved both armies. I loved the SCE Seqs and the Evos, the reapers from NH and just generally liked both armies (still do). Then as a result of a lot of whining and moaning from people about how "broken" Sequitors are and how "OP" Evos are from FB pages and generally from people that refused to think for 5 minutes about how to counter them. People would simply either refuse to play against SCE, or ****** and moan about how broken Evos were and basically anyone who used SCE were noobs, meta chasers, or somehow both! Then GW eventually nerfed the newer SCE units into the ground, nerfed the Grimghast Reaper points, simply because people made better use of them IN ANOTHER ARMY (this one still triggers me). Even now, for some reason Libs are still 100 points. Then look at Chaos warriors.
Basically you are complaining about the very thing which others did in the past that led to the nerfs of the armies you are playing (hope that makes sense). Maybe, just maybe you should be asking GW why they nerfed SCE and NH and ask them to bring them both UP to the level of others.-
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10 hours ago, Undeadly said:
Honestly,.I think it's weird that you all think Katakros' title of "Undefeated" is literal. He lost to a Ghorghon as a mortal, he lost to Nagash as a spirit, and then lost against Sigmar in.his current state. He's never been undefeated in battle, and it's more of a metaphor; he's "Undefeated" because he never sees it that way.
Whilst I think I prefer the "lost the battle, won the war" interpretation of the whole "undefeated" thing, the lore itself portrays Katakros as prideful, arrogant but fully aware that he has been defeated multiple times.
Check this out: https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Orpheon_Katakros#fn_1b (yes, it's a wiki page, but it's at least citing pages in the battletome)
Here are some tidbits (emphasis my own):QuoteKatakros’ howling spirit raged across Shyish, traveling back to Nagashizzar in a blistering force of anger and injured pride so strong it left the devastation of a raging cyclone in its wake.
QuoteKatakros was welcomed by his old title ‘the Undefeated’ by the Mortisan order and being in his current incarnation which had been spared the ignominy of defeat, Katakros did not correct them
He knows he's been defeated and it shames and enrages him beyond measure. That's his whole deal. He hates Sigmar for getting his head smashed in, but with this new body, NOW he has reached his prime and now that he has essentially been "reborn", he can claim his title of being undefeated once again.....
....Until Wrath of the Everchosen.
Nowhere does it state that he actually doesn't believe he was ever defeated. He tells people that he has never been defeated because, let's be honest, he's a complete autocratic moron that doesn't want to look weak to people that are afraid to him. That's why he does not correct them when they give him his old title back. He's prideful and arrogant, not delusional. If he never thought he was defeated, he wouldn't be so damn angry. Nagash literally uses the shame and anger of his defeat to Sigmar to shape Katakros into who he is now:
QuoteNagash took the essence of Katakros and remade it while making sure that his hatred for Sigmar remained unaffected.
That doesn't sound like someone who doesn't believe they ever lost.
So when people, like myself, are confused and a bit disappointed that "the undefeated" is defeated pretty much straight away in his new incarnation, they aren't pulling it out of nothing. It's a direct contradiction to the lore of the character.
Maybe going forward they will use the "undefeated" thing to refer to that he has never been truly killed (because his soul remains blah blah), or that he is always "reborn" in a new body and THAT version is undefeated - both of which I think are cheap technicalities that ruin the character. OR, if they are saying that he hasn't lost the war, so he is not defeated in that sense, then I think that is pretty cool. Although if they want to show the latter, they need to specify it clearly, as the lore and story as it currently stands contradicts what they are telling me about the character. -
On 1/31/2020 at 8:21 PM, Dracan said:
So Honset Wargamer just updated their stats for everything since winter FAQ 16 Dec... and petrifix ossiarchs didnt break the game... like at all... Not even a single first place...
Not really surprised really. I get that people have this fear of new books being strong, and I get that the first reaction to PE's "everyone gets +1 save" is a fearful anticipation. But surprising and wide reaching strengths doesn't automatically equate to unbalanced, OPness or even being that good (Nighthaunt all fly, but people aren't complaining about that or anything). PE is undoubtedly strong, but its very honest. It's literally just a buff to offense and defense in the most basic part of the game - The actual fighting.
Here's what I wrote in another forum:
I understand that petrifex is strong. It is. Its also very honest. A person drops a PE list and you know exactly what it does and what it can't do. The issue people have is that it places a lot of the countering on the opponent having to include shooting and / or mortal wounds and / or having to play the objective game and guess what? Some people often times just don't like being told they have to change something or think beyond their usual strategy. I see a lot of mild hypocrisy in the fact that a lot of people hate PE because their faction struggles more against PE than others, yet don't care when PE have struggles to shooting and or mortal wounds armies (i.e. Tzeentch, hallowheart etc).And if you're talking about only one sub-faction being played. What about all but one person taking Hermdar for Fyreslayers? (Edit: This is in regards to Cancon and someone saying "but people only took PE, thats how you know its broken!") I find Fyreslayers an apt comparison to OBR. They're sitting at 66% win rate overall (OBR AKA Petrifex at 58%), did exceptionally well at all tournaments recently, have a lot of similarities to OBR and PE, yet no one bats an eye when 20 4+ / 4++ 2 wound hearthguard berserkers are fighting first and them immediately fight again. Oh and they have movement shenanigans. I get that the answer is "they need heroes and wholly within buffs!" but my answer to that is "and?". Thats the price you pay for all those benefits. Yet PE have 2 "simple" (I mean uncomplex) buffs (the Rend buff does have the Hekatos requirements), which yes affects everyone, but also they have no fight first, no fight last, no fight again and no movement shenanigans. The most trolltastic you can get is Nagash with Protection of Nagash and he teleports himself. They are focused on the basic aspect of the combat phase: defense and offense (with the rend). Thats it. And the price of those isn't as high as say Fyreslayers, because they arent doing as many different things.
Edit: To add to this "basic aspect of the combat phase". Sure the 3+ helps with shooting too. Also the 6+ FNP and the shieldwall forces you at the widest to be in a 12" bubble, because if you string mortek out, you are not getting these abilities. So your choices are to stick to 12" and leave yourself open to movement and leave your heroes more exposed, or string them out, lose the benefits and basically become the games most expensive screening unit and basically wasting their potential. The same is said for the rend buff. So You're choices are: Blob unit that your opponent can move around / play with, or an expensive screen that really is wasted in this role.
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I wrote some pretty memey thoughts about the Wrath book in the Katakros VS Archaon who would win? thread, and I did want to write some more serious thoughts at some point, so I guess I will write them here.
SpoilerI guess what gripes me the most is that it has this "everyone wins" aspect to it, which I think damages both Katakros as a character, and the believability in GW's story telling. I am more accepting of this story as a whole than I first was. Yet solely focused on Katakros all I can really feel is a sense of bewilderment. Why write his lore as though upon getting this new body he's now at his peak and prime and thus "undefeated", only to immediately get defeated? Are they trying to say, like @Undeadly said, that he's undefeated in the war, not only as "himself" as a fighter. That I can get behind. Then why not make that a bit clearer? Why not take that aspect and make it more of a Katakros the "will do whatever the hell it takes to win". Even if it means sacrificing himself and using his "undeath" to his advantage just to get a small edge over his enemies. Again, THAT I can get behind. If it's because well "technically" he gets a new body each time, and his soul wasn't "defeated", so he can always say that with each reincarnation, he is undefeated. If that's the case, then all I can say is "that's cheap writing. You should be embarrassed". To both of these points though: when I beat Dark Souls for the first time, I'm sure my character didn't go "Ha, I am undefeated! Take that Gwin!" he probably thought "Good god, what the hell, that was so damn exhausting. I feel broken".
Basically, in summary: I can't help but feel that there is this sense of ludonarrative dissonance (I know LND is more for video games, but you get what I mean) between what GW are telling me about the character as a model on the table, his rules, and his introductory background compared to how he ends up being written for the story. It feels like they bent the characters identity to fit whatever they need it to do, without really thinking about if it makes sense to do so. Personally, I think that damages Kata as a character. If you want him to be undefeated full stop- make him be undefeated. If you want him to be only undefeated as a general in a war, then make that clear and remove any doubt. Come at it from another angle.This seems to be an issue with GW as a whole. Every leader of every army is the best at what they do. Their army is the strongest, has the most fearless warriors and can destroy all enemies. It's one of those cases where if everyone is the best, no one is the best, yet at some point one has to lose (but yet also win, because we did say your army is also the strongest!). This is basically what it feels like they did here (and they do this with all releases, because marketing):
GW with the OBR book: Here's Katakros! He's ready to go and not be defeated, he's such a mad lad! Look how arrogant he is! That's because he's so good!"
What GW are actually saying: Please buy this army because if you do, you too will be undefeated.
GW with the S2D book: Archaon is back baby! He's 800 points now! He's so strong. He will MESS YOU UP if you look at him the wrong way!
What GW are actually saying: Please buy this book, because we made Archaon really strong and now you can live out the power fantasy that you wish you had in real life....please don't cry.
GW with the WotE book: Katakros is going to kick down Archaon's door! Told you he was a mad lad! But Archaon isn't going to take this lying down! Tune in to next week's WWE World Championship Title match!
What GW are actually saying: Please buy this book. We specifically teased that both leaders are going to fight one on one to entice you to buy it. We totally didn't employ a marketing psychologist. Promise.
GW in the WotE book: Who'd have guessed?!?!?!?! Both Archaon AND Katakros won in their own way!
What GW are actually saying: Did you really think we would allow Archaon to fail in any significant way? Oh my sweet summer child. And I know we said Katakros is undefeated, so that's why him dying was his plan all along, so he could learn Archaon's secret Karate techniques and use them to his advantage. We're obviously not going to tell you what Katakros learned either. That would be silly, and you'll have to buy the next book to find that out. Oh and Kata also played a lot of Destiny 2, and basically stole that fat guy's idea from the Levithan raid by having all these clones of himself. See, he's totally undefeated because *insert your own personal reason to try and justify the fact GW would release a character, say he's an undefeated badass, only to be immediately defeated like 2 months later*!!!!!
(Ok, that was pretty memeish. I just couldn't help myself).
Coming back to this point of "everyone being the best", we all knew Archaon was going to win this duel. I just wish someone, ANYONE, would do SOMETHING to hurt or injure Archaon. Just anything. My wish was that as Katakros goes down he shanks him with a blade or something that begins to corrupt, poison or whatever Archaon so he is injured. But no, he loses a bit of land and is probably back to having a massive temper tantrum. It just feels like Archaon has gone on for SO long without any real danger or injury to him. It's just not believable at this point. He reminds me of the dwarves in the Hobbit movies. No matter what happens, they live. They get smashed into a cliff face by a giant stone monster? Live. Are attacked by Orcs whilst in barrels with no real means to defend themselves? Live. Get attacked by a giant massive dragon that's breathing fire all around them? Live. How can I believe these characters are in mortal danger, if you never show their mortality? The only one that we know that has a hope of stopping Archaon is Sigmar. Yet GW purposefully wrote Sigmar to sit around doing nothing (no sorry, he's busy in his garage working on his DIY project). I did always wonder why Sigmar is so powerful, has the chance to help, but just sits around scratching his ******. It's because if he actually did something, they might have to write something of consequence.
To top this all off, I know 100% I am thinking too hard and caring too much about this. Maybe I was expecting too much from it and just need to chillax. -
My ramblings on the book / story ending:SpoilerTo be honest, I never expected Katakros to win per se, but I gotta say that I am disappointed with this outcome if this ending is true. Not just because status quo is still status quo, but also because they basically showed Katakros as this 4D chess level general that is actually just really good at....losing. First when he was mortal and basically Leroy Jenkins his way to an early grave, then to Nagash (he gives up, and holds out long, but still. If you're losing against a bunch of skellies in the first place, that's on you), then to Sigmar. Then he gets this awesome new body complete with "I am totally masculine, I swear" codpiece, gets proclaimed "Katakros the undefeated" and then decides to march on the damn eight points and....get defeated. I can't help but think that Katakros is the Charlie Zelenoff of Age of Sigmar. For those of you that don't know who Charlie is, he's basically a self-proclaimed "boxer" that basically just fights beginners, proceeds to just be a ****** and beat the ****** of them the first time they wear padding, and yet thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. Yet he doesn't want to fight actual boxers, but when he does (once in a blue moon), as soon as he starts to lose he runs off and calls it a draw.
I do kinda get that it was sort of a "I want to know how deadly Archaon is" thing, but then again, I dunno... read Archaon's wiki page or some ****** . If he wanted to know how deadly Archaon is, he should have asked himself this question: Have I blown up a planet, yes or no? If No, then, I dunno perhaps be a bit careful and not be an arrogant fool? If Yes, then you are either lying, or you are in fact Archaon.
Also, Archaon literally sent your boss packing to the shadow realm (Yugi-oh reference), so probably not a wise idea to blitzkrieg into Archaon's home turf whilst trying to fill out your 100 page risk assessment form. ANYONE COULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT. Ask Arkhan FFS if you didn't want to ask Daddy Nagash?
Katakros: "Hey Arkhan my buddy, is this a bad idea?"
Arkhan: "f****ng stupid idea mate. You remember he blew up my home planet right?.Like it's gone. Totally gone. There's like a one in a million chance of this working"
Kata: "So you're telling me there's a chance?" (Yes - with the exact same face Jim Carrey makes in Dumb and Dumber)
Arkhan: "No that's not what I'm say- where are you going? I told you it was a stupid idea! Come back here! ******!"
Speaking of the other Mortarchs. Can you IMAGINE how pissed Olynder must be? She has to unlock this dickhead from the stormvault, knowing full well he's totally gonna mess ****** up again in the office. Is forced to go on this stupid ass business trip with him and then gets shanked? It's like Katakros is the boss's favourite and wins employee of the month all the time, despite doing absolutely ****** all and costing the company a boat load in legal fees for all the mistakes he keeps making and the only reason he's the favourite is because he gave one ****** presentation about "confidence in the workplace". Kata is that kinda boss that asks you to do a presentation, you send it to him and then he changes your name to his before he presents it and you get no credit. No wonder Nagash thinks he's so good!
If you look up the term "failing upwards" on Google, you get Katakros's face as the top result.
What's Kata's nickname now? Katakros the "Well....I'm more of a tactician than a fighter"? Katakross the "that one doesn't count because I wasn't ready"? Katakros, Mortarch of Theorycrafting? Mortach of "Actually I had dust in my eyes"? Mortarch of "I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Archaon"?
I could accept a "Ha, this isn't even my final form" where Kata goes super saiyan, but doesn't continue the fight because he has learnt enough. But this anime style "just as planned" mixed with this "Team Rocket's blasting of agaaaaaaaaain!" like it's a pokemon episode ending is just.....urgh.They really did my boy dirty....
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5 minutes ago, Scurvydog said:
It is just siege rules for all. There will be nothing or OBR for regular matched play. Every time people ask about anyone but chaos getting rules, there is the usual marketing response with "everyone gets new siege allegiance rules!". That does not bode well, I doubt siege rules will be part of many people regular play.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. The way it is worded made me think that the "great content for every fan of Warhammer Age of Sigmar" part was the siege rules, and them specifically highlighting death and chaos for the rules etc was because something cool and specific for us was coming.
Oh well. I mean I guess I will wait to see what the contents is, but as it stands I doubt I will get the book. I understand that OBR has just released, but a part of me did expect them to get something in there, seeing as they are the other major player in the book. Or is that just me? -
Let's be honest, the cover of the book basically gives it away. It's going to go down like this:
- Archaon: "I have arrived! Tremble before my -2 Rend Slayer of Kings! Mwahaha!"
*Mortek Guard look at each other and all start laughing* (see, this is why the Mortek models are all grinning)
Archaon: "Why are you laughing? Why aren't you fearing me!?"
Mortek Hekatos (In what I imagine is an Australian accent) : "yeah nah mate, -2 rend ain't anythin' bloody special. We can get that and we're bloody battleline!"
Archaon: "Wait, what? Well, at least my 3+ save shal-"
Mortek Hekatos: "nah yeah, we have that too"
Archaon: ".....Ok... but I mean I can be healed D3 wou-"
Mortek Hekatos: "Flat 3 for us"
Archaon (In disblief): "...flat...3?"
Mortek Hekatos: "Yeah. Multiple times. And this big bloody dino thing, you know, the one with the spikey balls for hands? That can bring us back to bloody life using the bones of our enemies! Pretty sweet.
Archaon: "That does sound pretty cool actually..."
Mortek Hekatos: "By the way mate, didn't you blow up a planet? Would have thought you'd get some better job perks, what with you meeting your targets and all that."
Archaon: "Right!? All I got for it was that three headed monster-thing. It's a nightmare to look after. And the Eight Points? Let me tell you, the rent is through the roof."
Mortek Hekatos: "Tell you what, you give me your résumé and I'll put in a good word with my boss. Heck, you pass your probation and they may even promote me to a Liege! Win-win for both of us! Can't promise anything though and if you join, it'll only be as a trainee at first. You any good at holding scrolls? We recently did a big recruitment drive, so we've already got plenty of -2 rend 3+ save peeps as it is, but I reckon you'll rise up the ranks quicker than a bloody kangaroo"
Archaon: "What's a kangaroo?"
Mortek Hekatos: "No idea, just came to mind. Anyway, we got a deal?"
Archaon: "Deal"
*Archaon gives the keys to Eight Points*
And so, filled with resentment at the Chaos gods for treating him like ******, Archaon joins the forces of OBR so he can get that sweet sweet extra rend (and +1 save). The end.
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It makes perfect sense. Big "oh s**t" twist moment? Check. Everyone is still alive? Check. Fantastic narrative and believable and relatable characters? Check???-
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The latest article about Wrath of the Everchosen is up (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/29/why-you-need-to-read-wrath-of-the-everchosengw-homepage-post-1/) and I saw this mentioned:
"Wrath of the Everchosen has a lot of great content for every fan of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, as well as rules and campaigns for Death and Chaos armies."
After seeing the article before this show all the allegiance abilities seemingly being only for Chaos, I was a little miffed. Now I'm quite excited to see if OBR (and of course the other death factions) get some nice shiny stuff too. -
On 1/12/2020 at 3:34 PM, KK9T said:
Yep I copied your list from the top of the page and made a few changes. I got the idea of running this list from the Unlocking Age of Sigmar: Ossiarch Bonereapers with The Lord of Death video by Doom & Darkness on YouTube.
My overall takeaway is that it's good. Having 4 drops is important when you want to alpha strike with the Deathglaive, so two battalions is awesome. This lets you spread out your drops in order to get the deployment matchups you want. Another benefit is that you get an extra two RD points, two artifacts (allowing you to load up all your heroes) and you have a very good chance of deciding who goes first.
The deathglaive did well for me. I took out a unit of 2 mournfang with it before my harbingers got deleted by a Stonehorn. It forced my opponent to deal with it immediately. I prevented him from charging his 2 Stonehorns and Frostlord into the midfield for 3 rounds. I imagine it doing much more damage against some other armies. My opponent did prepare for an alpha strike, but I didn't let him know where it was going. It forced him to deploy conservatively with an army that you typically charge up the field.
I used the unit of 10 Mortek and the Liege-Kavalos as a kind of vanguard to take an objective in the middle of the board. They did well, but my Liege fell to Thundertusk shooting and a Stonehorn charge. I regret not keeping him alive longer. Also, I started the game with 11 RD points. Throughout the game, I don't think I ever started with less than 5.
No worries on the questions. I'm going to keep playing this list and seeing what works/doesn't work.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, the Nightmare Predator is awesome. That thing did some work for me. Also, next time I might try Stalliarch Lords instead of Petrifex. There were times where a run and charge would have helped, as well as retreat and charge.
Thanks for the info! Could you clarify what you mean by "spreading your drops"? Do you mean that you don't HAVE to drop if I don't want to, but can basically "skip" a few drops and drop my four nearer to when my opponent has finished, thus seen more of their deployment, but still ensuring I can choose first turn?
I'm still on the fence about my own artefacts, and whether to take the Soulmason or not. I fear that against some heavy shooting (albeit with not THAT much rend) and heavy magic, I would need the extra Boneshaper. How did the Gothizzar Cartouche work out for you? Wholly within 9 is pretty small, which is also another reason I am not thinking about the Soulmason. Similar decision with taking the Shrieker or going helm of the ordained. I prefer certainty which is why I chose Helm. I guess it also depends on how tanky 9 wound, 2+ (potentially rerolling 1's) Kavalos actually is and how much damage I can do turn 1. I guess against shooting, and If the Kav was with the stalkers (and they survived) I would still get "look out Sir!" on the Kavalos still...I think.
Interesting about the predator! I guess against a hero focused Hallowheart, it could work out really well. Forcing them to back off and rethink their movement. May have to switch some spells around and see if it can fit in!
How fast were your Mortek in following up the deathglaive? Bit sluggish or were they in the thick of it turn 2? With so many RDP that you were getting, were the Mortek shield Corp worth it you think?
I'll also let you know when I finally get my games in with this list! -
3 hours ago, KK9T said:
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Liege Kav
- Godbone Armour
- Mighty Archaeossian
- General
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Soul Mason
- Gothizzar Cartouche
- Spell: Arcane Command
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Bone Shaper
- Artisans key
- Spell: Drain Vitality
- Mortek Guard x 20 - Swords
- Mortek Guard x 20 - Swords
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Mortek Guard x 10 - Swords
- 1 unit Morghast Harbinger
- 1 Unit Stalker w/ Dread Falchions
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1 Unit Stalker w/ Dread Falchions
- Mortek Shield Corp
- Katakrosian Death Glaive
- Nightmare Predator
- Bone-tithe Shrieker
- Petrifex Elite
I ran this list against a 2 Stonehorn, 1 Frostlord BCR list today. Took first turn and sent a unit of Stalkers and Harbringers into the center of his frontline to wreak havoc. I sent my second unit of Stalkers down a heavily terrained left flank. My opponent was forced to spend 3 turns dealing with the threat with his heavy hitters while I was able to rack up some objective points. I've had trouble against this BCR list before as it's a hard counter to Petrifex Elite. My opponent beat me with a minor victory (by 130 points), I was one wound away on his Butcher from getting the minor victory myself. This was only my second game using OBR, in hindsight I could have won a major with some better maneuvering with my backline Mortek Guard.
Pretty much the same list I was thinking and wrote at the top of this page to counter some heavy shooting or magic. What are your overall takeaways from this list? Is the double battalion too much?
What do you feel about the deathglaive battalion? Did your opponent deploy a lot deeper knowing you would be taking first turn and going straight in? How did the deathglaive units fair after your opponents first round? Did they survive?
Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get an idea of how well a list like ours would hold up.
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Hey everyone,
I tried answering my own question from earlier in the thread about dealing with a strong static shooting and magic list like hallowheart. But using mostly what I had / minimal new stuff until my Kata and crawler arrive and are all done. I thought about going for a double batallion list of Shield Corps and the Katakrosian Deathglaive. My idea is to hit hard right away with the battalion units and the liege. Throw in a lot of RD points for the offense and still have a point and the free shieldwall in case there is combat for the mortek guard first round.
Basically looks like this:
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Liege Kav
- Helm of the Ordained
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Bone Shaper
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Bone Shaper
- Artisans key
- Mortek Guard x 20 - Swords
- Mortek Guard x 20 - Swords
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Mortek Guard x 10 - Swords
- 1 unit Morghast Harbinger
- 1 Unit Stalker
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1 Unit Stalker
- Mortek Shield Corp
- Katakrosian death glaive
- Prismatic palisade
- Soulstealer carrion
- Bone-tithe shrieker
There is still tweaking to be done, like if the bone-tithe shrieker is worth it. My idea is to project the +1 to hit in more places. As i am not taking the soul mason (which is another consideration).
The idea with palisade is block the line of site to move up. But against something like hallowheart I'm not sure its worth it. They would easily dispell it their next turn with its low cast value, but my thinking would be the -1 to hit from it. Although it would need the 5+ and then they would have their own 5+ save on top. Might not be worth it.
What do you guys think? What about the double battalion? Its only "80" but with added endless spells that nees taking it does add up. Could easily add another mortek unit. However it does provide a nice extra benefit and extra RDP.
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Liege Kav
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On 1/2/2020 at 1:46 PM, Scurvydog said:
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Sorry for the late reply! Thanks for the info and I agree 40 is probably too much.
What do you and everyone else advise in situations when you are against a shooting heavy list and / or heavy magic (so Hallowheart basically). Say you are going in knowing 99.9% even before list building its a heavy shooting and magic list, what are your lists looking like? Would you recommend something like prismatic palisade? What about Immortis guard for the heroes?
By heavy shooting and magic im talking 30 Darkshards, 2-4 reaper bolt throwers (we allow them in our group despite them not being "legal"), and basically 4 casters, (2 sorcs, 1 battlemage and dreadlord with artefact to cast). The Battlemage with the Transmutation of Lead spell is a pain, and a lot the Hallowheart spells look like massive kick in the groin as well to boot.
I may have a game soon with this list, which is VERY un-optimised - at least whilst I am waiting for my crawler and Katakross to arrive and be built etc. I name it my "I finally have close to 2k, this is what I have and I am tired of building, I just want a game for heavens sake!" list:
Legion: Up for debate but i'll stick in PE for now.
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Liege Kav
- Helm of the Ordained
- General
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Bone Shaper
- Godbone armour
- Bone Shaper
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Soul Mason
- Mortek Guard x 20 - Swords
- Mortek Guard x 20 - Swords
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Mortek Guard x 10 - Swords
- 1 unit Morghast Harbinger / Archai
- 1 unit Morghast Harbinger / Archai
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1 Unit Stalker / Immortis
- Mortek Shield Corp.
1990 / 2000
So yeah, far from the best and still unsure on a lot of things like which of the Morghast variants to go with and whether to go with them as one or two units. Same with stalkers over immortis. I may pull a Morghast unit or the stalkers / immortis and just buy and build a harvester quickly. Also may even get the Endless spells and build the Carrion as well if I drop a Morghast unit.Would this be a definite Null Myriad choice? Or even something like Stalliarch to get in there asap and cause some mayhem? Or is PE still the go to even in this scenario?
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Liege Kav
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7 minutes ago, Scurvydog said:
My advice would be to split the 40 man unit into 2x20. As petrifex Morteks are plenty tough and a 40 man unit will just result in a lot of models not being able to fight and also less board presence. With 20/20/10 you can get the shield corps battalion instead of the Ballistari one, which is far more useful i find.
You could also consider to give godbone armor to your boneshaper instead (as he needs to be rather close to the action) and make him more durable and give the Liege Kavalos the Helm of the Ordained for a +1 to hit bubble within 12" of him. He has the speed to position it decently and make for a mini katakros. The guard blobs can handle well enough with the wizard support, so the Kavalos is really useful with the deahtriders, buffing them with the +1 hit bubble, +1 attack command and then the petrifex +1 rend and they will oblitarate whatever they charge and can also do some sneaky pile ins potentially.
Splitting the 40 block and swapping for the shield-corps would make it 100 points more expensive. Even removing the endless spells it still brings it to 2020 (very fitting given the new year)
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14 hours ago, Nasrod said:
Correct. But Stalkers with 1" range make me hesitant to run packs of 6. So the extra 3 from the Box I was possibly going to pick up were going to become Immortis Guard no matter what, simply for unit variety's sake.
Even so, with Stalkers in the middle, 4 Morghast on theright, and 20 Guard + Boneshaper + Kavalos down the left, the Immortis Guard and 10 Mortek on the right screening Vok and preventing deepstrikes behind him just turned him into a massive block of "Not even worth shooting."
Since Vok has to be within 8" to return a Morghast, chances are he will be in danger, hence the Guard feeling necessary. Right now I'm mostly trying to experiment with non min maxed list... my army interests since starting were Daughters of Khaine --> Nighthaunt --> Slaanesh --> Idoneth --> Ossiarch.
Needless to say some opponents suspect nefarious interests lol.
Ah sorry, I didn't even see the "3 Stalkers" in the list! This old man needs to remember to put his glasses on when reading!
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On 12/18/2019 at 3:29 AM, Nasrod said:
Played a 2k point list with some proxied models to see if I wanted to snag the 2nd Feast of Bones at our LGS. The list was
Vokmortian
Liege Kavalos
Boneshaper
20 Mortek
10 Mortek
10 Mortek
3 Stalker
3 Immortis
4 Morghast Archai
Vok's Retinue
Isnt Vok's Retinue only with Stalkers, and not Immortis?
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4 hours ago, prochuvi said:
Yes they are overpower at the lvl of slanesh and skavens and also arent fun to figth againts due to how broken is a save of 3 reroling 1 with special save of 5 .
Last tournament and first with bonereapers and they have won it allready(to be frank have been a tie betwen slanesh bonereaper and korne) also with a 65% win rate.
People saying arent broken are bonereapers players,data is allready showing us how broken they are
Going to have to disagree with pretty much all of this (except the not being fun to fight against, where I have no opinion of it, as I haven't fought against it).
I am presuming by "last tournament" you mean the Krigsluntan GT? If so you are clearly skewing results and stats to fit your own agenda and impression of the army. Don't say the "data" shows this when it clearly doesn't. As I mentioned in this post:Only ONE person went higher than 3-2 in this tournament and the one that did is one of the best players in Sweden. They probably could have taken a GA: Death army and still come in the top 3.
As for the win %, what about that DoT win percentage of 70% with only 4 players? Where is your outrage there? Yes, DoT have less than 50% in general and you know why that is? Because the more play an army, the lower the match win % goes (ok that is not the only reason, but it is a contributing factor). How many players took OBR to the tournament? 8. Only EIGHT (I thought it was 9 but one player didn't show it seems) players and you are basing everything on that. So with that in mind, how can you say they are OP based off of ONE tournament, with one of the players being the best in the country. Oh and the OBR win % was 62.2%. Don't round up the number to fit your own agenda. If you are going to use "data" as your argument and you want to round things, you should round down in this instance. Lastly, regarding this particular win %. How much are you willing to factor in novelty, freshness and the lack of opportunity for opponents to get accustomed to OBR? This is obviously a factor when facing off against a brand new opponent.
Do they seem strong as a result of this tournament? Yes, but it is questionable to what extent. 5 out of the 8 players went 3-2, which is perfectly reasonable. You know what 5 out of 8 is as a %? 62.5%. You know what 3 out of 5 is (3-2 win/ loss)? 60%. So 62.5% of OBR players won 60% of their games (3-2 result). Are you seeing a pattern here? The pattern being that based on this one result, it seems that they are good, but if I am a good player, I can do better and if I am not so good, I will do worse? And again, how much does novelty and freshness factor in? What happens when people get used to OBR? Will this go down? Could also be that people start finding more powerful synergies and so it could go up? Who knows what could happen! And that is the point, no one can yet. If anything can be taken away from this tournament regarding OBR, and as much as it doesn't make sense really, it's that they seem to be a consistent 3-2 army. But to say anything more than that based on one tournament result is pure madness until more come in.-
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15 hours ago, Sleboda said:
It's Grey Seer primer,Space Wolf Grey contrast, Grey Seer dry brush, white db.
I really liked trying a super white-ish bone, but in the end I just liked the warmer tones better.
I can't wait for my bases to get here!!! I'll be able to rip these guys off their bases and give them new permanent homes.
*picture*
I have to say these look great! Bases are another thing I will consider. I typically glue my guys on first, but perhaps I will get the bases sorted before I put them on.
And thanks for the bone tutorial! This one seems nice and easy also. It's really hard to decide to be honest! I always suffer from analysis paralysis, which is probably another reason it takes me ages to get stuff done.
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@Scurvydog Thanks for the tips! This is really helpful. I thought about going for the skeleton horde bone look, with some Bronze for the rims and a greenish tinge for the shield. How do you find the Nihilak Oxide? I thought about throwing some onto the bronze as a kinda of wash to dim it down a little and have a weathered effect. Are you using it solely for the ghostly look of the bones, or also to weather the weapons and others etc?
@Death1942 I've been seeing the "contrast and shield & edge" style a lot as well. It does seem that contrast paints are probably the quickest way to go about it and to get stuff on the board as quickly as possible. The army as a whole has something about it that makes it as simple or as detailed as you want it. There is always some tiny detail that you can paint different, if you want.
@Sleboda Fantastic blog! My initial idea is a kind of mix between the left and middle models in this image of yours: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/tgacommunity/monthly_2019_11/20191119_104823.jpg.0e81d7c7e1d54e10a48dbc72e2052578.jpg
With the darker green and more bronze in the middle, but most likely the bone colour of the left. Although I am undecided exactly what the bone colour might be. I do also like the greyish stone look of the middle. How did you get that effect?I'm excited to see your progress and look forward to seeing more!
9 hours ago, marke said:So you want good looking models, but don't want to do anything about it?
I mean, what's the hurry? Take your time. Most of you probably have other armies to play with. You won't regret painting your army well, but you'll almost certainly regret painting it bad.
I know people are looking for instant gratification these days, and it shows even in our hobby, but it's sometimes good to have a bit of patience and honest work.
I know you are probably trying to say "hey, take your time and enjoy the ride!", and it is important to remember that, but the way this is written isn't helpful. Where did I say I wasn't doing anything about it? Clearly I am because I am asking for advice. What is dishonest about wanting to do it quickly? If I am more of a player rather than a hobbyist? Why is it impatient of me to want to reduce the time I spend on the aspect that isn't as enjoyable as the other part? Also speed =/= bad. Vince Venturella painted 2k of Ogors in 24 hours. Does that make it bad? Only because I want it done quick doesn't mean I am going to splash on the paint like madman with a crayon.
It seems like the hobby part is something important to you, which is great. All the best to you. I just prefer to play the game. Of course having something nice and painted is great, but like I said in my original post about it, I know myself and I know it's going to take me ages. I don't have a lot of time to do it, I don't have a dedicated place, so I have to take things out, put them back, move this, move that. I know the best solution for me is to make this as efficient as possible, so I save time and can spend more time playing, cos that is what is important to me.
How to achieve this black but weathered / sandy rock look from Conan Exiles
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This is great, thanks! I will give this a whirl for sure.
Regarding the purple tint, was that from pics of the desert ruins? That could be the case, as I have a terrible abilitly to take colours out of an image. I was thinking of doing something similar to what you suggest, but with a reddy brown mix as I noticed that some pictures have a reddish brown tint to them, but that could just be the sun setting in the images.
I should really get my eyes checked out....😁