PrimeElectrid

Timing of this CA will be crucial. If it is end of the movement phase, does the rule that controlling player dictates order of simultaneous abilities? If so then controlling player can force opponent to use this CA before their end of movement set ups (such as SCE Scions).

While I’ve enjoyed BR for what they are, the fluff has well and truly jumped the shark. Seraphon have pyramid ships that can shoot out orbit, LRL can levitate rocks, and Kroak can open portals at will without a realmgate. Not to mention the mobile floating islands referred to in Dawnbringer Crusades. The military applications of these concepts render the need for armies to hit each other with swords more contrived than the 40k universe.

Realistically, how many units were going above minimum size anyway? And of them how many were going to max size? Liberators in 30, Sequitors in 20, Evocators in 15, Desolators in 9 and Longstrikes in 12 is all I can think of.

is “just deal with the damage” the new “just kill the heroes”.

So straight away this knocks 5-10 models off most infantry units out there. A few units seem to be hit particularly hard; those non-battleline units which come in 3s and used to have a max cap of 12 and now 6. Vanguard raptors, dracoths, dracolines, kurnoth hunters, stormfiends, I’m sure there are others. Salamanders seem hit in a big way with max 2 salamanders per unit.

Sadly Sentinels are battleline and max 20 anyway, so no change.

Yeah when I went back and looked at the profile I saw it wasn’t so good. Really unless there are any warscroll changes it’s the same stuff that got better (judicators, raptors).

If GW are going to tell us why new special rules make units good, they might want to start by explaining what those rules are. What are Enhancements? Anyway looks like auxiliary objectives are now called Grand Strategies. What this article tells me is no new Slaves battletome or warscroll changes in the near future.

According to the rumour thread, models with >5 wounds count as 2 for scoring. Dracoth and Dracoline meta? of course Palladors! With All out Attack they might be a good pick for 180. Wind run to the back line, javelins and pistols on 2s to hit.

> Pitched battle Profiles and Unit Size: Unit Maximums have now been removed but Reinforced Units have been introduced, as well as a limit of Reinforced Units in Marched Play. "Single" has been introduced as a keyword for Pitched Battle Profiles. "Single" Units cannot be Reinforced. Woah if this is accurate and I understand correctly it is massive. So most units will be in minimum size with a small number that can go over (reinforced units)? There’s almost a dynamic there between big units for scoring and big shooting units, but big shooting units > big scoring units so there’s that.

Longstrikes also come in 3s and you can take them up to 12. If your point is that high volume MW shooting is dumb and giving high volume MW shooting more opportunities to shoot is more dumber then we totally agree. Unfortunately high volume Mw shooting exists, has existed for months, and GW has given no indication that they intend to address it - in fact quite the opposite as they are introducing more MW shooting.

Yes and not only do all of those things exist but the new orruks are getting MW on 5s shooting too. If your point is that GW can address Unleash Hell by nerfing the worst offenders in your list, then that is a lot of faith in a company that has let those OP shooting units exist for over a year. And it still puts shooting above all else because the simplest reaction to lots of shooting is take more shooting.

I’m sorry but we’ve seen the shooting rules. There is no exclusion for combat.

Because -1 to hit does so much for MWs on 6s

List tailoring is a really bad argument. The point is that Unleash Hell is so powerful it will warp the meta around it. Everyone will be designing armies to take advantage of it, or to deal with people taking advantage of it.

And all that good work is completely undone by Unleash Hell.

2 shot judicators in a normal meta is legit. 2 shot judicators in a world of Unleash Hell is asking for 20 of them surrounded by multiple Aetherwings, with a unit of Vanguard Raptors in the back.

Oh my word using Rally on Horrors will be bonkers. I am starting to get a bad feeling about this.

Yeah and it’s lucky that we can buff the charge range of multiple units coming out of Scions - oh, wait. 🤦‍♂️

That sounds like a great way to ensure that every list is centred around 2-3 of max sized most powerful shooting units, surrounded by the cheapest screens, playing ranged tag with identically constructed lists at max range. It sounds awful.

I’ve been excited for 3.0 until now, but this: Is the dumbest thing. Think of all of those horrendous shooting units. Sentinels. Salamanders. Skinks. Mortek Crawlers. Medusai. Flamers. Now picture them all sat 7” behind a screen and laughing as you give them a free shooting action in the charge phase. Why even bother charging when you could just take cheap screens and your own OP shooting unit.

Welp I guess now we know which book the sin guy wrote. spoiler: it’s the one where live models do MWs with ranged weapons, not the dead ones who do MWs in melee.

SIN GUUUUY!

Yeah overnight I was thinking about a lord imperatant hidden away at the back of the board (no range requirement), pouring over a map, and calling in air strikes err Annihilator Thunderstrikes each turn. Distinguished Leader!

Spartan helms are a little too big imho. The Knight ones are good though.