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Yeah the waiting is almost too much, although crimson court turned up yesterday so at least I’ve got something to be getting on with. Really intrigued where we as a grand alliance go from here; Broken Realms Teclis basically took a dump on us. Manfred was the only one who came out of it looking somewhat good and that involved him cutting his losses and then doing classic Manfred type stuff.

Thinking about it. GW might as well reveal Abhorash and bankrupt me. 😄

Yeah ordered mine this morning too, but I’m ditching my old vamp and starting afresh so need some variety for my vampire lords. All round bases will break my heart but be much more aesthetically pleasing. Had a farewell game with legions as well, Vhodrai is still a beast. Hope he makes it through...

I'm still really wanting some sort of return to the fear rules using battleshock somehow. But again; mustn't get our hopes up.

The other issue is we don't really want to be an edition closer. Depsite every time they have said an army book, codex or battletome that comes out very near to the end of an edition was made with the next edition in mind; it never is.

So long as we have something akin to Vampiric powers (and bloodline bonuses through subfaction stuff) I'll be happy, vampires and chaos lords with all their gifts really felt they were beyond normal humans back in the day (i know they'd cost a shedload more points). I miss that.

Well Red fury kind of became Blood Feast and plus 1 attack is always good! Strength of Steel was mad for 15 points for +1 strength on the charge and could be implemented as a extra -1 rend on the charge or just -1 rend until start of next hero phase. I'm torn whether things like this should be a radius based thing or you have to pick a specific unit. Although to have these as abilities for the vampires only would also be cool and fluffy.

Alessio Cavatore with any luck lolz.

Aelves have cheeselords, why not us?! 😈

I just feel that almost everything has some sort of save against them these days which lessens their importance. Take for example killing blow in fantasy; it may be time has addled my brain but that from what I recall went off on 6's no armor save but ward saves were allowed. Pretty similar to mortal wounds however not that many units had killing blow and not that many units had saves against it other than heroes/lords. Lorewise okay we've had the necroquake and everything has gone a bit mad but it feels like it was overcooked table top wise and they've since been giving units and armies protection against it as a result.

Only thing is in fantasy you could make your general a lot more durable with wargear vampiric powers and having them in a unit was a massive help as very few units could snipe you.

hopefully there’s still a bit more we don’t know about yet, I mean we know there’s almost certainly a terrain piece and endless spells but there’s got to be a centrepiece model right? mounted vampire lord too is surely a must...

Cursed city goes up for preorder next weekend. Time to hold our breath and hope that the war scrolls for death have had some attention...

Vlad the bad dad!

Club Tropicana where the blood is free.

All are one and one is all in Nagash.

Age of rage quit lolz. Oh wait we aren’t self righteous entitled high elf players.

Well now gw have appeased the high elf players short of resurrecting Aenerion, vamps must be next? I know things got heated on the rumour thread but dear god it feels like the last year aside from that other thing lrl just won’t let up! Tyrion hasn’t showed up yet either 😅🔫

Everything @JackStreicher said. Especially if it’s on rounds, I’m only starting afresh as most of my stuff other than Nagash and Manfred are on squares. It also depends on how bothered you will be by the new models vs old. If you hadn’t already made purchases I would have said to hold off but you already got a nice lot of models (hopefully on rounds) so enjoy it. The only slight issue other than hexwraiths is we don’t know whether graveguard will remain a thing, so they may become more standard skeletons.

So I reread Vhordrai’s lore in the battletome and he basically has all the notable bits of Abhorash, Walach and the Red Duke rolled into him to varying degrees. I’d be happy with Vhordrai being the man when it comes to the martial/blood dragon vampires. A dedicated model wouldn’t hurt mind. Well it’s more realistic than Abhorash turning up anyways, again this release has me pumped and ready to commit to all round bases.

Celestant prime got smacked by Lady Olynder though; Nighthaunt win!

I guess if they gave Vhodrai a bit more attention lore wise and made him even better than he is now rule wise (I still think since the Ethereal Amulet isn't a thing your better off taking him than standard VLoZD). That could be an option that would ease the blow of no Abhorash, I like Vhodrai just doesn't seem to have had much thrown his way to make me care about him from a lore standpoint.

Different strokes for different folks. I love Abhorash and if it wasn't for him and the Red Duke's backgrounds (Both of whom didn't have rules by the time I started WFB as Circle of Blood was an edition prior to my get involved in WFB and obviously Abhorash has never had rules) I wouldn't have switched from 40k and probably wouldn't still be in the hobby. So I would find it exceptionnaly nice from a personal standpoint if Abhorash did get a model and rules, again I do actually agree with you that he should be a standalone like Gotrek but I can't see that happening.

I'm out of touch regarding meta; I only ever play against Sylvaneth, Cities, and Nighthaunt. So yeah I may have read the profiles and over reacted somewhat. apologies.

For me he was always portrayed rather well; not wanting to ever be a vampire, being tricked into it unlike the others, finding better routes to channel his curse. In all the literature I have read that he features in (which granted isn't a lot and mostly seems to be a labor of love from Josh Reynolds) he is made out to be the greatest warrior ever and the game is called warhammer. Arguably he is a much better fit than Neferata in a game that represents fighting battles/wars not subterfuge. But also there is the whole thing where at the end of the day he is actually still begrudgingly loyal to Neferata as he is her champion. I've always loved his story, curing himself of vampirism and then being just a sort of nomadic warrior and standing with Gilles Le Breton at the end. It was great. Let me be clear, if so many other world that was characters hadn't been bought back I would not be as keen on seeing Abhorash. But they have even after some were explicitly killed and urinated on. I do agree he wouldn't really fit in a vampire army given his history, so that is why I don't think he will be in it but I personally am not prepared to collect a non death army just to have Abhorash.