The Red King

WE'RE IN BOYS! KURNOTHI AELVES! https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/01/gencon-previewgw-homepage-post-1/

Can't go wrong with the trees. Only problem is with a brand new book when you're reading about what to get the info may be outdated. I'm no expert myself but almost every unit in their army is pretty solid so... buy what you like with them!

Because GW can't sell you something you already have and they won't hype something they can't sell you. Plus Arkhan didn't escape the "prison of the soul thief"

Arkhan the "I already have a model and exist in AoS"? That Arkhan?

I hate this cities of sigmar book. I saw people all the time saying they need to just throw all the elves and dwarves and humans in one book because, and I quote, they arent distinct enough. No what GW needs to do is support the armies with AT LEAST rules. But no, that would take release time away from the 4th slightly different golden armored dude that you know we will get by the end of the year.

Yeah what reveals? 2 teasers and a confirmation of 2 books with no info to go along with it. Oh and a really cool ogor. So I guess the ogor since it's the only reveal. I said it once before on reddit and I'll say it here. I hate when they hype up a day or event "MARK YOUR CALENDARS! YOU WONT WANNA MISS THIS!" and after weeks of patiently waiting we get *drum-roll please* "Some stuff is coming in the future!" ... yeah, we know. You told us we'd find out about it today but the entire announcement is "things are coming"... guess I'll go back to marking my calendar than? This one was even worse because we've got confirmation that SOME kits are going away. Vague and useless. Maybe I dont understand business but is this supposed to drive sales as people panic buy anything that might go away? Because for me at least it does the opposite. Puts any purchase ideas I had on freeze until I know WHAT is going away because that's very important information to the future of my investment in the hobby.

Idk about elven skulls but a simple green ghostly paint scheme ought to work? And yeah on the skeletons I have a very Golgari theme to my Sylvaneth as is so I was considering a nice big block of risen vine wrapped skeletons.

So this is my first time posting anything in the Sylvaneth side of things but I picked them up as an accompanying army to my wood elves until they get an update and after Looncurse and a start collecting plus 2 more boxes I find myself saying... well why not just go to 2k. So heres my prospective list that's trying to avoid buying too much more (just need Durthu and 3 more kurnoth) Winter leaf TLA Arch-revenant w/frozen Kernel Branchwraith Spirit of Durthu (General, My Heart is Ice, Ghyrstrike) 30 dryads 5 tree rev 5 tree rev 3 kurnoth hunters with Greatsword 3 Hunters w/GS 3 Hunters w/GS Free spirits batallion It honestly feels like it doesnt have much board presence but the hope is the block of dryads (plus summons) and the teleporting revs should be enough to play to objectives while a potentially double attacking Durthu hitting/wounding on 2's could be quite devastating should he reach a target at full health (probably via healing spells). That's a potential what 60 wounds? Obviously that's not ever going to happen but still. Thoughts? I'm not too interested in buying much more but I could be convinced to run revs as spites or other reconfigurations. For those wondering the above list minus durthu and 3 hunters is every Sylvaneth I own. I do have a full 2k wanderers army and considered running 20 sisters of the watch possibly with a nomad prince but it felt like a CP sink I cant really afford. Does save some money though.

See this is what I was looking for. I knew somebody somewhere was going to have seen the thing this reminded them of, I just couldnt think of it. Maybe GW is going to solve the alarming lack of giant enemy crabs in the first wave of idoneth? I would like it to be new elves but I wouldn't hate weaponized giant pistol shrimp either...

So the latest rumour engine, everyone is calling elves but I don't see it. Thoughts?

If that list of changes is accurate I'm excited for 2 things. 1 my list saves almost enough points to bring 3 more kurnoth hunters when I play wanderers AND I can now perfectly fit 20 sisters plus Nomad Prince as allies for my sylvaneth at 2k. This is good. EDIT: Ash from guerrilla games or whatever has a video where he flips through the books points section. Those points are accurate and the only changes (to points). So hopefully someone posts the section on army rules soon so we can see if we get a spell lore or what changes BUT he doesn't mention any new batallions in the points overview. This could be an oversight or could mean we get no new batallions.

Well we're officially getting rules in the GHB19 (up for pre-order next saturday) so I'm confident we are not going to get canceled as an army. I am cautiously very excited. I hope for some more batallions and maybe some point drops (even though I'd rather we had better stats instead of sheaper units) but I know the GHB doesnt change profiles so we're stuck with the compendium era scrolls for a while yet... Still excited.

Idk I was dissapointed in how unsuitable they feel for conversions. Maybe it's the awful paint jobs but they look like they'd mostly make better harlequins than wood elves. Idk. Maybe somebody will put some conversions up that just blow me away and have my foot so far in my mouth I'll be poopin laces, but they certainly don't inspire ME (except maybe the main throwing girl if you swap her a spear maybe?)

6" doesnt feel like a safe assumption for movement these days. Everyone from nighthaunt to idoneth to freaking FEC move faster than us it seems. 18" isnt the range it was when these war scrolls were printed.

Who on earth decided that this information belonged on a one page article and not as a reveal for warhammer fest? Its next week for crying out loud and would have done a lot for the crowds of people (me included) who felt AoS really got nothing. I can only assume they didn't want to be asked questions about it on sunday??

I think the tail is just a case of what do you expect fauna of the mortal realms to look like lol. But yeah. It's way too tame to be another chaos release and the armor screams elves to me. Now I'm leaning more towards high elves as the summer elf release to fight slaanesh but I could be wrong.

Any thoughts on the speculation about the new shadespire lion being an indication of wanderers? Someone said the circlet matches the sisters of the thorn and the shoulder pad matches the back of their shields and I myself have said they could be made into a more savage beastmaster faction of hunters but I don't know if i'm willing to believe just yet.

No yeah I get what you're saying. DoK that I also play is an obvious example that not everything has to be in the batallion. Just Azyr the list building app threw me because it calls that invalid. No it doesn't. It must have been something else making invalid.

DOH! I was caught up with the wording of the Sylvaneth battalions that specifically say you CAN take other units in that batallion and the fact that the Azyr app tells you its invalid if you add more. Im a numpty.

Ummm unless i'm misreading your list it isnt legal. The battalion requires EXACTLY 4 units. No more no less. So you specifically cant MSU in the battalion.

I have to disagree with the glowing assessment above. While every positive you listed is true, none of them are quite as true when compared to updated armies. "Great shooting" at 18" when everything in the game seems to move 12 and reroll charges or run and charge etc. Means you're often either very limited in unit placement or else sacrificing a unit a turn just to get the enemy close enough to shoot. The army can't really skirmish being stuck with only one teleport a turn that is strictly worse than the teleports of say khinerai or deep strike of stormcast. And further if you teleport your archers they are going to lose the leader buffs that they sorely need as the entire army lacks in dmg output through anything but a thousand cuts style kills. Now that's a fine style if everything weren't over costed or under statted in comparison to the opponent. By focusing your entire army worth of shooting on one target you CAN output quite a bit of damage (if standing still and buffed by heroes) but every trade made is just woefully points inefficient in comparison to what you're "hopefully" taking out. I agree the army is beautiful. I agree it can win games, but I think its disingenuous to give them anything more than a 40% chance of winning against any moderately well built or piloted newer army and as much as I encourage people to buy and play wanderers if they like them, I think it's only fair to add "buyer beware" if they're going to be disheartened by losing as this is an expensive hobby. I personally get around this by aiming for moral victories. Pick something you want to accomplish for the game and feel like a winner in your head. No I'm not bitter that I showed up to a casual night of AoS only to face the exact FEC list that won the most recent tournament and proceeded to feel bad for wasting my opponents time. The army CAN win if piloted perfectly and the mission favors you and your opponent makes a few mistakes. The army is also competitively speaking, frankly a joke. Edited to add that I DO love this army and they ARE beautiful models. Lest anyone think I'm being too down on them.

If you say so. Looks like a 2 to me or at least way too blurry but I would not mind being wrong.

Ummm maybe i'm wrong but Kurnoth Hunters already have 2 attacks on their bows? At least according to the war scroll app.

Prince Maesa there on the cover is an exiled prince so he may look different even than the rest of his kin. As an aside he's not even in that book and it's rather upsetting. (Sorry he IS in there. Asking someone to tell a story that turns out to be the entire short story section Maesa is in. That's it.)

I audibly hmmmmmmmd. I wanna say its sylvaneth because i'm cynical. Could be any elf, BUT it COULD be wood elves too. Heres hoping.