Relentless Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Greetings all Still figuring out this AOS and trying to come up with a 2000pt list to work towards for my skaven and have this, the latest incarnation: LeadersArch Warlock (140)Verminlord Deceiver (320)UnitsClanrats x 30 (180)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 20 (120)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 20 (120)- Rusty BladePoisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Stormfiends x 3 (300)- Ratling CannonsBehemothsSkaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)War MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)Warp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 2000/2000 I really want to include the warlord on brood horror because the model is fantastic but because of this, I've had to drop a 20 man stormvermin unit and add another warplightning cannon but is having 2 a ****** move for casual play? Also a few questions... Is verminus Clawpack worth it? Is it stupid to not include stormvermin? How will this list do in a fun setting without getting stomped? And finally, weapons teams... good or bad and which ones!? Thank you guys, I'm used to battles in the 31st millennium so still trying to find my feet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSDdeloach Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Storm vermin are super strong here is my personal Verminus list I was play testing.. Did well.. The clawback is nice for saves on weapon teams. Plus the movement LeadersGrey Seer (120)UnitsClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty SpearStormvermin x 20 (280)- HalberdStormvermin x 20 (280)- HalberdWarpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Ratling Gun Weapon Team x 1 (80)Stormfiends x 3 (300)- Ratling CannonsBehemothsSkaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)War MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)Warp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 2000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted October 6, 2016 Author Share Posted October 6, 2016 I'm such a fool, I forgot you need at least one unit! Do you not find with such small clan rats units you are missing out on a lot of the bonuses the claw pack gives? To get the scroll requirements , I've done this... LeadersArch Warlock (140)- General- Trait: Lord of War- Artefact: Crown of ConquestVerminlord Deceiver (320)- Artefact: Chaos TalismanUnitsClanrats x 20 (120)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 20 (120)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeStormvermin x 20 (280)- HalberdPoisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Stormfiends x 3 (300)- Warpfire ProjectorsBehemothsSkaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)War MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 1980/2000 I would prefer 30 clan rats though as at 20, they feel a bit not too good but not too bad. Kind of middle ground. They seem like they need to be 30+ to actually do stuff. That would mean dropping lighting Cannon or fiends/deeciver to accommodate.. LeadersArch Warlock (140)- General- Trait: Lord of War- Artefact: Crown of ConquestVerminlord Deceiver (320)- Artefact: Favour of the GodsUnitsClanrats x 40 (240)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 30 (180)- Rusty SpearClanrats x 10 (60)- Rusty BladeStormvermin x 30 (420)- Halberd & ShieldWarpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)BehemothsSkaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)War MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)BatallionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 2000/2000 Is the stormfiend sacrifice worth it ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papapene Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I was thinking that if you take the verminus claw pack you'd need to take tretch craventail aswell so that one of your units of stormvermin units is kicking out the 60 attacks at -2 rend. NASTY! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Isn't using the brood horror defeating the purpose of that battalion abilities? You need to keep him 3" away from enemies for the big bonus. That way he can use his CA on all units with 13" instead of picking one. Also your lists don't have a general with another CA unless your planning on just using inspiring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 My version... LEADERS Arch Warlock (140) - General - Artefact : Crown of Conquest - Command Trait : Lord of War Warlock Engineer (100) Skaven Warlord (100) - Shield & War Halberd - Artefact : Crown of Conquest UNITS Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Stormvermin x 20 (280) - Halberd & Shield Warplock Jezzails x 6 (280) Stormfiends x 3 (300) - Ratling Cannons Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 3 (180) Stormvermin x 20 (280) - Halberd & Shield BATTALIONS Verminus Clawpack (80) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Yeah I do get that about the brood horror. I just really like the model even though it's a pain to fit in and, as you've rightly said he needs to be away from combat to buff other units. I feel he can play a decent support role though as a secondary assault (albeit being a physically bigger target to deal with) I like the double stormvermin of your list but I feel units of 10 rats really fails to utilise the pack to its full potential. They will soon be evaporated as Meat shields and won't benefit from close combat buffs. Also with double bed stormvermin, only one unit would get the bonuses of the Batallion. As for comand ability yes it's inspiring presence all the way with the crowns allowing me to use it 3 times. There other options like tretch and the VL warbringer that can add nice CA to large skaven units so that's food for thought too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 For me clanrats are a mestshield, not a combat unit. The stormvermin as so much better for that. In this battalion the clanrats sole purpose is to absorb hits for the weapon team. You would need blocks of 30 for them to be a fraction of the power stormvermin have. 180pts for your total battleline is good in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 You pay the price for stormvermin though, more than double per rat. Agreed the are better, but per point I'm not sure there is much difference when it comes down to it really? Not good at maths so it's just speculation but double the rats kind of mitigates better save and more attacks I feel Do you think 10 are enough for a meat shield? Weapons teams passing over mortal wounds it strikes me as not taking long for them to be wiped out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 They would get wiped out regardless with a 6+ save. If anyone even looks at them funny they die. If you want to go full on verminus then fill them out but skaven have so many toys and options your opponent will probably have a difficult time trying to counter one threat or another. Who wants to waste their precious combats and shooting on clanrats knowing there are jezzails blasting them or a block of stormvermin wiping out everything or a lightning cannon or stormfiends. Got to use all the options available! Another mixed clan list. LEADERS Verminlord Warpseer (260) Arch Warlock (140) UNITS Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Clanrats x 10 (60) - Rusty Spear Stormvermin x 20 (280) - Halberd & Shield Warplock Jezzails x 6 (280) Stormfiends x 3 (300) - Ratling Cannons/Grinderfist Stormfiends x 3 (300) - Ratling Cannons/Grinderfist MONSTERS Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200) 1940pts. This list is more mixed with options. Good magic presence. The Warpseer spell is amazing. The warlord will stay near the stormvermin for buffs and 2 units of tunnel stormfiends to pop up and unleash a ****** ton of shooting on whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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