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Greetings all

Still figuring out this AOS and trying to come up with a 2000pt list to work towards for my skaven and have this, the latest incarnation:

Leaders
Arch Warlock (140)
Verminlord Deceiver (320)

Units
Clanrats x 30 (180)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Blade
Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Ratling Cannons

Behemoths
Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)

War Machines
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)

Batallions
Verminus Clawpack (80)

Total: 2000/2000
 

 

I really want to include the warlord on brood horror because the model is fantastic but because of this, I've had to drop a 20 man stormvermin unit and add another warplightning cannon but is having 2 a ****** move for casual play?

Also a few questions...

Is verminus Clawpack worth it?

Is it stupid to not include stormvermin?

How will this list do in a fun setting without getting stomped?

And finally, weapons teams... good or bad and which ones!?

Thank you guys, I'm used to battles in the 31st millennium so still trying to find my feet!

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Storm vermin are super strong here is my personal Verminus list I was play testing.. Did well.. The clawback is nice for saves on weapon teams. Plus the movement 

Leaders
Grey Seer (120)

Units
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Stormvermin x 20 (280)
- Halberd
Stormvermin x 20 (280)
- Halberd
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Ratling Gun Weapon Team x 1 (80)
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Ratling Cannons

Behemoths
Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)

War Machines
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)

Batallions
Verminus Clawpack (80)

Total: 2000/2000

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I'm such a fool, I forgot you need at least one unit!

 

Do you not find with such small clan rats units you are missing out on a lot of the bonuses the claw pack gives?

 

To get the scroll requirements , I've done this...

Leaders
Arch Warlock (140)
- General
- Trait: Lord of War
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Verminlord Deceiver (320)
- Artefact: Chaos Talisman

Units
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Blade
Stormvermin x 20 (280)
- Halberd
Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Warpfire Projectors

Behemoths
Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)

War Machines
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)

Batallions
Verminus Clawpack (80)

Total: 1980/2000
 

 

I would prefer 30 clan rats though as at 20, they feel a bit not too good but not too bad. Kind of middle ground. They seem like they need to be 30+ to actually do stuff. That would mean dropping lighting Cannon or fiends/deeciver to accommodate..

 

Leaders
Arch Warlock (140)
- General
- Trait: Lord of War
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Verminlord Deceiver (320)
- Artefact: Favour of the Gods

Units
Clanrats x 40 (240)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 30 (180)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Blade
Stormvermin x 30 (420)
- Halberd & Shield
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)

Behemoths
Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)

War Machines
Warp Lightning Cannon (180)

Batallions
Verminus Clawpack (80)

Total: 2000/2000
 

Is the stormfiend sacrifice worth it (

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Isn't using the brood horror defeating the purpose of that battalion abilities? You need to keep him 3" away from enemies for the big bonus. That way he can use his CA on all units with 13" instead of picking one.

Also your lists don't have a general with another CA unless your planning on just using inspiring

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My version...

LEADERS
Arch Warlock (140)
- General
- Artefact : Crown of Conquest
- Command Trait : Lord of War
Warlock Engineer (100)
Skaven Warlord (100)
- Shield & War Halberd
- Artefact : Crown of Conquest
UNITS
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Stormvermin x 20 (280)
- Halberd & Shield
Warplock Jezzails x 6 (280)
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Ratling Cannons
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 3 (180)
Stormvermin x 20 (280)
- Halberd & Shield
BATTALIONS
Verminus Clawpack (80)

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Yeah I do get that about the brood horror. I just really like the model even though it's a pain to fit in and, as you've rightly said he needs to be away from combat to buff other units. I feel he can play a decent support role though as a secondary assault  (albeit being a physically bigger target to deal with)

 

I like the double stormvermin of your list but I feel units of 10 rats really fails to utilise the pack to its full potential. They will soon be evaporated as Meat shields and won't benefit from close combat buffs. Also with double bed stormvermin, only one unit would get the bonuses of the Batallion.

 

As for comand ability yes it's inspiring presence all the way with the crowns allowing me to use it 3 times. There other options like tretch and the VL warbringer that can add nice CA to large skaven units so that's food for thought too 

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For me clanrats are a mestshield, not a combat unit. The stormvermin as so much better for that. In this battalion the clanrats sole purpose is to absorb hits for the weapon team. You would need blocks of 30 for them to be a fraction of the power stormvermin have. 180pts for your total battleline is good in this case

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You pay the price for stormvermin though, more than double per rat. Agreed the are better, but per point I'm not sure there is much difference when it comes down to it really? 

 

Not good at maths so it's just speculation but double the rats kind of mitigates better save and more attacks I feel

 

Do you think 10 are enough for a meat shield? Weapons teams passing over mortal wounds it strikes me as not taking long for them to be wiped out?

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They would get wiped out regardless with a 6+ save. If anyone even looks at them funny they die. 

If you want to go full on verminus then fill them out but skaven have so many toys and options your opponent will probably have a difficult time trying to counter one threat or another. Who wants to waste their precious combats and shooting on clanrats knowing there are jezzails blasting them or a block of stormvermin wiping out everything or a lightning cannon or stormfiends. Got to use all the options available! 

Another mixed clan list. 

LEADERS
Verminlord Warpseer (260)
Arch Warlock (140)
UNITS
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Clanrats x 10 (60)
- Rusty Spear
Stormvermin x 20 (280)
- Halberd & Shield
Warplock Jezzails x 6 (280)
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Ratling Cannons/Grinderfist 
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Ratling Cannons/Grinderfist
MONSTERS
Skaven Warlord on Brood Horror (200)

1940pts. This list is more mixed with options. Good magic presence. The Warpseer spell is amazing. The warlord will stay near the stormvermin for buffs and 2 units of tunnel stormfiends to pop up and unleash a ****** ton of shooting on whatever. 

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