Rules question - Mannfred, sword of unholy power.

[TechnoVampire]

 

Hello

Several rules/ effects trigger when an enemy model is slain by a specific weapon such as Mannfreds sword of unholy power ability: 

“If any enemy models are slain by wounds inflicted by this model’s Gheistvor…”

Since wounds are calculated after all attacks have been made from multiple weapon profiles, and the models removed afterwards how do you determine if a model was killed by a specific weapon?

Thanks!

 

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[Btimmy]

You basically hope your opponent doesn't know that they get to choose how they allocate the wounds. Meaning if you completely wipe a unit, but used all of your attacks to do so they can allocate the wounds from the other weapons and mount first, denying you the ability. Practically speaking this means that you will need to guess or split your attacks such that you attack one unit with the sword (and only the sword) and another with the rest of the attacks so that your opponent must allocate the wounds from the sword to that unit, and hopefully some models die, thus granting you the ability. These restrictions make the ability very situational, and its hardly very relevant, but sometimes the opportunity will present itself to use it. 

Still not super likely as it will require Mannfred to activate first, when you probably want to be activating with your super killy unit first instead (if you had a unit of graveguard in combat for example.) 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Btimmy

[Liquidsteel]

3 hours ago, Btimmy said:

You basically hope your opponent doesn't know that they get to choose how they allocate the wounds. Meaning if you completely wipe a unit, but used all of your attacks to do so they can allocate the wounds from the other weapons and mount first, denying you the ability. Practically speaking this means that you will need to guess or split your attacks such that you attack one unit with the sword (and only the sword) and another with the rest of the attacks so that your opponent must allocate the wounds from the sword to that unit, and hopefully some models die, thus granting you the ability. These restrictions make the ability very situational, and its hardly very relevant, but sometimes the opportunity will present itself to use it. 

Still not super likely as it will require Mannfred to activate first, when you probably want to be activating with your super killy unit first instead (if you had a unit of graveguard in combat for example.) 

The splitting attacks is a good tip. But you are right in that this ability is often difficult to utilise as something like Grave Guard almost always want to go first because of how fragile they are.

The best I've found is Zombies, parked outside then piling in.

[TechnoVampire]

Thanks for the replies. After much searching online and finally getting my head around the exact allocation of wounds from different weapons; that they can be split up by the opponent so that anything with more than one wound will basically never be killed by the sword, it makes abilities like these feel all but redundant. Seems like a waste and strange game design when there are numerous interesting abilities like this that will hardly ever come into effect.