(Casting) Rerolls with modificators

[Bademeister]

Hey folks,

it is clear that rerolls just can be done once. Furtermore we have learned, that checking if a roll is succesfull happens before modifikations.

Yesterday my friend and i had a situation we hadn't before. He tried to cast a Spell with a casting value of 7. He rolled a 6. Following effects where apllied at that moment:

1. His wizard gains +1 to cast
2. He was able to reroll failed casting rolls
3. I had an aura (his Wizard was within) which causes enemy wizards to reroll succesfull casting rolls.

What was right in that Situation? To Reroll his casting roll? 

[RocketPropelledGrenade]

It's my understanding that this is actually switching between AoS 2nd and 3rd editions. I know for certain that in AoS 3, modifiers are applied after re-rolls, according to 1.5.5 in the new core rules (it's the second sentence in that section, and explicitly states so). So whatever the case is now, which I'm not 100% on, that's what it will be soon.

[Arzja]

On 6/16/2021 at 1:34 AM, RocketPropelledGrenade said:

It's my understanding that this is actually switching between AoS 2nd and 3rd editions. I know for certain that in AoS 3, modifiers are applied after re-rolls, according to 1.5.5 in the new core rules (it's the second sentence in that section, and explicitly states so). So whatever the case is now, which I'm not 100% on, that's what it will be soon.

Modifiers were always applied after re-rolls, the wording changed a bit. 

As for the scenario in the question. The cast technically failed. So your friend would be able to re-roll if he chose to but due to the modifier it actually succeeds. So your ability doesn't apply.

[Popisdead]

11 hours ago, Arzja said:

Modifiers were always applied after re-rolls, the wording changed a bit. 

There is a lot of back and forth on this and it is confusing me.  I read it as things didn't change regarding modifiers and rerolls but I'm seeing a lot of "AoS 3 did away with it"...

[Arzja]

12 hours ago, Popisdead said:

There is a lot of back and forth on this and it is confusing me.  I read it as things didn't change regarding modifiers and rerolls but I'm seeing a lot of "AoS 3 did away with it"...

The core rules have been available for about a week now on Warhammer Community. It's definitely still in. Like I said, just a wording change. The old wording said re-rolls happen before modifiers are applied and the new wording says modifiers are applied after re-rolls. 

Functionally the same but I can see how people get confused.

[Popisdead]

On 6/18/2021 at 2:59 AM, Arzja said:

The core rules have been available for about a week now on Warhammer Community. It's definitely still in. Like I said, just a wording change. The old wording said re-rolls happen before modifiers are applied and the new wording says modifiers are applied after re-rolls. 

Functionally the same but I can see how people get confused.

Ah,.. yeah I downloaded them and thought they were the same and the confusion came from people saying it went away... thanks kindly.!!!