Named Heros and obligatory Artefacts

[umbratica]

The Warscroll Builder does not allow me to give some (all I checked so far) of my named heros the obligatory Stromhost artefact. Does this mean I need to give it as early as possible to anyone forcing me to give it to the second hero, does it overright the obligation so that I do not have to give it out at all, or is the Warscroll Builder buggy?

Would also love to be told where the relevant rule(s) is/are.

Edited March 9, 2020 by umbratica

[Kadeton]

The basic summary is:

When you build your army list, you can give one Artefact to a hero of your choice. For each warscroll battalion in your list, you can give an additional Artefact to a hero.

An individual hero cannot have more than one Artefact. A named hero cannot be given an Artefact at all.

Allegiance subfactions normally specify a particular Artefact that must be the first one given to a hero. (In this case, Hammers of Sigmar - the God-Forged Blade.)

Therefore:

• If your army includes only named heroes, nobody can be given an Artefact.
• If your army includes at least one unnamed hero, you must give one unnamed hero the God-Forged Blade.
• If your army includes any warscroll battalions, you may give one unnamed hero (who doesn't already have an Artefact) an Artefact of your choice from any available list of Artefacts (from your allegiance, realm, etc) for each battalion in your army.

[JackStreicher]

Named heroes can‘t be given command traits or artefacts. If an when a Artefact has to be taken is very clearly stated in its rules (of the subfaction).

Edited March 9, 2020 by JackStreicher

[jamie.white]

Hiya - named characters can’t be given artefacts or command abilities .  If you are forced to give it to your general and that general is a named character you just don’t get the artefact or ability - you lose it 

in your example just give it to another hero in your army . 

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[jamie.white]

There is no specific rule that references obligatory choices , the core rule on page 15 forbid any named character taking an artefact or command trait  - see attached . You simply lose that choice . 

Edited March 10, 2020 by jamie.white

[JackStreicher]

... yes if you only play one hero and that hero is named, then that hero does not get the artefact.

once you have two heroes or more of which at least one is not a named one, then one of the unnamed ones must be given that artefact.

the wording is watertight...

[umbratica]

46 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

Named heroes can‘t be given command traits or artefacts. If an when a Artefact has to be taken is very clearly stated in its rules (of the subfaction).

But is it? "ARTEFACT OF POWER
The first HAMMERS OF SIGMAR HERO to receive an artefact of power must be given the God-forged Blade."

That can be understood in different ways. If I only have one hero and it is a named one I guess I cannot give out the God-forged Blade but can still play that hero. So I get around it. But it could be even better(?) I could read it to just have to include the God-forged Blade if I want to get to another "Artefact of Power" (the mortal realm Artefacts are not labeled "Artefact of Power". It would only force in the God-forged Blade if I want to use another Stormcast Eternals Artefact (al Stormhosts [at least the ones I checked, the ones that can be played] have one obligatory artefact). I doubt that is the intention, is it?

So to me it seems there are a few possible rule interpretations of which I think two are reasonable:

A: if you pick an Artefact from the Stormcast Eternals Artefact Artefacts (you still can pick a Lantern or Staff... without picking ...) List the first pick from that list has to be ...

B: if you pick an Artefact with a Stormhost list you need to pick ... if you have not allready done so

And it could also mean that you can only pick a named hero if you already picked another to take the obligatory one, and included a battalion to get a second pick (doubt that is the meaning).

Edited March 10, 2020 by umbratica

[umbratica]

19 minutes ago, jamie.white said:

you lose it 

Okay, that (just being unable to get any artefact if you use a named hero in a faction/subfaction with an obligatory artefact) unless you generate a second source for an artefact (battalion) for Stormcast Eternals is indeed another possible meaning. Do you know the source?

Don't think it has anything to do with being the general in the Stormcast Eternals case. The rule reads first <Stormhost> hero. It would have been easy to write General in that place if that was the intented meaning.

Edited March 10, 2020 by umbratica

[umbratica]

Seems right to me. Definately does not contradict anything I read in Core Rules and Stormcast Eternals Battletome. So I go with that. Thanks both of you.

[Morglum Ironhide]

The first hero that can take the God-Forged Blade HAS to, so if you have just named, it's lost.

But as soon as you have the named hero, and then a generic one, the generic one will HAVE to take the God-Forged Blade. Only way to get another artefact is to have at least 2 generic heroes, and a battalion, then you can give each hero an artefact, 1 of them being GFB. 

[Grotruk]

Hi all

Maybe a stupid a question about named leaders but...  how to know if a leader is a named one ?

For Kairos for example, it is clearly mentionned on his warscroll but not for the blue scribes one (for example)

Why Fluxmaster shouldn't be a "named" leader and "blue scribes" would be ?

"Blue scribes" are "unique" but "curseling" too and I understood he is'nt a named leader.

How am i supposed to do the difference ?  What am I missing ?

 

Edited March 28, 2020 by Grotruk
mistakes

[Grotruk]

Found the answer myself.  Blue scribes and changeling were just FAQed,

So, a leader that is "named" is supposed to be mentionned on his warscroll

Sorry for the "useless" question !