Benkei

You talk like OW is not gonna come out by 2025 or later

They are a Mary Sue because even when we are told how bad their society is and how they are constantly sabotaging themselves (supposedly) somehow all of that never amounts to anything real because they always succeed in whatever they do without anybody being able to oppose them. So yes, they are quite the Mary Sue and yes, I know what a Mary Sue is, thanks for the attempt at discrediting me because you don't like my opinion.

I think the problem comes more from the fact Skaven are the elves of the bad guys, i.e. Mary Sues that always come out on top because reasons

That's Yndrasta I'd say

I've played 3 games until now, and what i've found is this: - i like the 3.0 changes for the game, just not for Slaanesh - our Battleline selection SUCKS, which is frustrating (especially for me because i can't stand how ugly Hellstriders are) - we are a glass cannon faction, just without the cannon bit - and the most frustrating thing which will probably make me move to another army; i can't play interesting units, because we have almost none (our elite tanking units are just worse Chaos Warriors/Liberators f.e.), and now i can't play the miniatures i love because they are too expensive and either hamstring the rest of my army or prevent me from taking other miniatures i love (Keeper, Painbringers, Seekers) The way i see it i'll maybe play Slaanesh from time to time, but the frustration when trying to build lists i like and play miniatures i esthetically love is just not worth it; everything (EVERYTHING) is just too expensive and the list of units that are decent (not even good, just decent) is so narrow i can't see myself playing the faction often. And i'm not going to buy any new kit like Dexcessa or Glutos after GW crapping on the faction time and again and again.

It really is sad that half the proposals hinge on taking units from different battletomes and that just 4-5 of our units are decent enough to be playable. GW really did a number on the faction.

That's correct. I'll also say I'll take great models with ****** rules over ****** models with great rules.

EC are Slaaneshi. Slaanesh is GW's number 1 enemy. Therefore we shall have no EC.

Disregard it, i read it wrong. On the other hand, they now can teleport on your face, advance and charge

So besides Mark of Tzeencht Stormcast also got RR 1s on saves from the Castellant which makes their battlelines with All Out Defense either 3+/ignore 1 Rend/RR 1s or 3+/5+ ward/RR 1s. They are actually better than before with the combo. Taking into account you need a LoP to make Painbringers Battleline and the 160 points they cost I think they could have let them keep at least RR 1s so they really felt like an elite unit. Shalaxi and Shardspeaker are just overcosted. Edit: I GOT IT ALL WRONG

I agree with your entire post, but its 160 points for ten wounds. Still, the fact that Liberators, one of the the most vanilla, old and average/bad units i can think of are way better than Painbringers should say a lot about the state they left them in. On the other hand, Sequitors are battleline and got a ward for their "reroll all saves" ability, but they lost their "reroll all 1s" and got nothing in return just to differentiate them from Libs.

Honestly I'm getting a little tired or "just wait for the points", "just wait fof the FAQ", "just wait for the next FAQ", "just wait for campaign book". We already got to all of those and everyone of them was just another kick in the teeth. We have absolutely 0 reasons to think that's gonna improve Maybe it's time to switch armies, or games. Edit: don't forget the nerf to wheels after their 100% price hike

Sorry, by "random" I meant "they don't have a clue what they are doing", hence amateur hour. Also, helping some units that are hurting but nerfing other units that are also hurting for me is the very definition of "no rhyme or reason". Or removing all our strike first/last mechanics and then reintroducing them. I agree tho this is gonna be a 40k-esque "if you got an updated codex you are OK, if you don't you might as well not bother" edition. Shame we won't have one for a loooong time.

Except Sequitors got their "reroll all saves" turned into a 5+ ward and as you just said some "reroll 1s" got turned into "ignore Rend - 1" (which is basically the same in a world with Mystic Shield and All Out Defense) and other got the "+1 save" treatment. It seems to me like there I absolutely no rhyme or reasons to this, the same than with some of the point changes. As to your "Sylvaneth needed the help": didn't Shardspeaker, Shalaxi and Painbringers too? It's not like they were star players in 2.0 neither. Hell, didn't Liberators need some help too?

Just like for all ther other units it was balanced by either lack of offense or higher points cost, but GW decided not to take any of that into account and made a blanket change not minding if it was "reroll 1s" or "reroll everything" and leaving some units out of it altogether. It seems like amateur hour to me.

Funny how S2D Tzeencht units can still reroll saves

Double post

Just convert all your Painbringers to Twinsouls: they have 0 Rend, hit like a truck and tank as good as Painbringers or better. They are uglier, but what can you do?

So Wheels nerfed, Painbringers nerfed, Shalaxi nerfed, Shardspeaker nerfed, because they REALLY need the nerf. I get those were general changes, but they fact the just copy pasted everything and didnt even bother to think about how those changes affected each faction before adjusting the points (again with another indiscriminate copy paste) shows they dont care about game balance at all. This is just shameful coming from a comoany as big and veteram as GW. I mean, whats even the point of Painbringers or Shalaxi now?

I dont really understand why they removed Locus of Distraction and the Always Strikes Last rule from the Epitome just to reintroduce it now. Not complaining, it just seems GW doesnt know what to do with Slaanesh at all

Seems like Slaanesh can't have nice things

You can only resolve one triggered effect now, the player who has the turn decides which one.

But you see, you can't compare Slickblades costs to Blood Knights costs because ZUMM0N1NG!!!!!. You know, it's a little known fact that the other factions got no allegiance abilities so they don't have to pay for them while we have our "maybe one unit/round summoning" now that games are much shorter, then our wonderful locus of diversion now that monster and hero spam are gonna be commoner and exploding 6s (admittedly, this is good and wasn't nerfed beyond not affecting S2D) while factions like LRL have to make do with a mere 4535383 allegiance rules. That's why we are overcosted but the other factions aren't.

Lobbing magic at Teclis will never be a good idea, even less so now that he can heal in both hero phases. You have a 50% chance to cast Pavane, then Teclis has a 50% to flat out ignore it, and after that you'll average 4 MWs with him healing 2d3 a round if he feels like it.

Also, Morathi doesn't benefit from the healing CA. It's not much of a reason but it's something. Edit: Daemonettes went up 30% and that didn't prevent the KoS from taking a beating