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Yeah me too ! I think the WHQ : Cursed City Undead range will provide a good indication of what the design direction for SBGL will be (we've seen at least some gothic armored Skeletons and AOSified Zombies in the trailer). Personnal guess : given the recent WD article about Godbeasts which mentioned a vampire bloodline springing from some kind of super werewolve, we'll get a new official bloodline, the Vyrkos, who are.... WEREWOLVES-VAMPIRES (the leader of the baddies will be from that bloodline IMO, he's called Wolf in the trailer and he is most probably a vampire too). BTW that Godbeast article came instead of the last AOS Timeline article, centered on the Age of Sigmar itself (the era, not the game). I guess it contains REVELATIONS about the future of Broken Realm they didn't want us to read too soon

Which is funny, because they put the Spirefall halfway DURING the Age of Chaos in the last Revisited Timeline article in White Dwarf by Loremaster Phill Kelly. (Well okay, it's still in the TOTAL COLLAPSE initial phase 😛 ) Great arts BTW !! EDIT : oh and they reveal the non named variant casually ?

Yeah alright but those long-time AOS players didn't forgot their 2019-and-before play experience "just like that". So it is still part of their analysis. BTW I am not saying Metawatch isn't huge work. What I mean is that even they recognize their 2020 data are too few, cf. the next Tweet from Dan you posted : "(1) the sample size is what it is because of the new circumstances for tournaments. I’m just glad some countries are still getting events. "

Oh my, such salt I am not saying I regret the fan-made points systems era but.... You matched play / tournament crowd are a strange lot. Joke aside I can totally understand the frustration given the current situation... But given most of us are all more or less playing with friends these days, is there really nothing you can't prevent with gentlemen's agreement (house rules if you feel creative, ALSO if you are a tournament organizer - I would do if I was) ? Also let's not forget : 1. It may be hard to accept, but 40k is more popular than AOS (being SF, older franchise, etc.). It has more than twice the number of fans on Facebook alone, you can also check places like Reddit. So even with COVID, there would be more 40k "data" than AOS'. We don't know what is "enough" data for GW. 2. UK is still hit pretty hard by COVID, so it could have forced GW to set priorities (given n°1... not in AOS favor, that is), as the FAQ are free material and we are "alas" not entitled to them... 3. Been said, but 3rd Edition is still probably coming this summer, so that could impact the FAQ business too. 4. Metawatch is mostly interviews of experienced players, with a few charts and statistics (actually mostly based on 2019 data) to make it look evidence-based. Not exactly the same business as FAQ and erratas. Now excuse me as I return to the contemplation of WARHAMMER QUEST : CURSED CITY arts (and vampires)...

@Nezzhil @cyrus @King Under the Mountain Again, "affect every factions" means at least in the fluff IMO, not necessarily in the rules. And shouldn't the precision "MAJOR factions" mean "not ALL 24-25 factions" then ? Also, Cities of Sigmar already feature in two books... Still, the announcement was pretty clear (emphasis mine), it's about the Aelven pantheon messing with everyone else. The release order has been confirmed since, but for Alarielle https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/22/warhammer-preview-online-shadow-iron-broken-realms/

Well yeah, but I understand that as "touched in the fluff". And honestly, rulewise, I didn't expected to get that much "side" stuff like Idolators or Misthavn in Morathi alone. And Tyrion/Malerion, when we just got Teclis/Morathi, plus LRL and DOK Battletomes releases in recent months ? Can't see that happening at all. But I agree, three books is short. Then if it's to lead to 3rd Edition ...

Friends, don't forget the initial announcement of Broken Realms only mentioned the Aelven pantheon, in that order : Morahti, Teclis, Alarielle. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/22/warhammer-preview-online-shadow-iron-broken-realms/ Morathi and Teclis have been confirmed since, so as Battletomes keep getting released in between, I think we'll "only" get three Broken Realms books, leading to 3rd Edition and the Siege of Excelsis (so huge Destruction focus there, vs SCE, CoS or Devoted ) Then we can get more stuff like Soulblight Gravelords, Chaos Duardin / Duardin soup, Grotbag Scuttlers, Tyrion/Malerion, etc. !

So, 2021 begins with : Battletome Hedonites Of Slaanesh : with Lord Glutos, Sigvald, Shardspeaker, Myrmidesh/Twinsoul, Blissbarb/Seeker, Archers, Slaangors (coming right after the Lord of Pain and Direchasm). Battletome Daughters Of Khaine : with Endless spells (coming right after a new Melusai Heroes coming argonide BR : Morathi) Broken Realms : Teclis : with fox-spirith Sevireth, dual build Vanari Regent, Hurakan windchargers, Bladelords, Bolt thrower, and at least 4 on foot / floaty heroes (Ninja pose, Banner guy, and two others). Aaaaand before June we'll get 6 new Warhammer Underworlds classy warbands, including those Vampires 😍 Later this year we'll also get WARHAMMER QUEST : CURSED CITY (which looks absolutely ding-dong), and a new Vampire Lord for the Soulblight Gravelords faction (new battletome or LoN remplacement ?). .... That's not even counting Warcry. ... I mean, yeah. BRING IT ONNN

Going by the Broken Realms Short Story "The Squint" and "The Clobbering", plus the TONS of hints in past supplements, White Dwarf Tomes Celesital and recent Destruction Battletomes like SoB, Destruction will get a huge lore treatment with the Siege of Excelsis quite soon ! Let's hope it is a full model release treatment -- Today was amazing. I absolutely loved Silver Tower and Blackstone Fortress, rules were nice, models were AMAZING. Can't wait to see what's happening in Ulfenkarn !!!

Good thing is, we should know tomorrow

Broken Realms : Tome I announced the Hedonites battletome, so Tome II could announce Battletome : Soulblight Gravelords. EDIT : if the 3rd (and last ?) BR book is indeed about Alarielle, then it could announce BT : Maggotkin (a very old one) just before Starter Set for 3rd edition and DESTRUCTION HEGEMONY / FALL OF EXCELSIS

Well they kinda teased that recently, notably with the Hammerhal Herald IIRC... Also, Katakros is busy in the Eightpoints, so Shyish is less defended now (well, the God of Dead was just there)

Interestingly, given the new name on the Vampire Clampack leaked Monday, I still think we'll get a Battletome : Soulblight Gravelords (IMO in replacement to Legions of Nagash). We know BT can coexist with Broken Realms boosks, because of the Hedonites coming soon. The new Lumineth Wind Temple wave will probably take the rules space in Broken Realms : Teclis, as they already have a Battletome. It's worth noting Teclis wants to bring an end to the Soul Wars, i.e. the entire AOS2 narrative arc.... Leading right to a new edition right ????

Absolutely. Now we know Telicis is taking on Nagash, not (mainly ?) Slaanesh... Slaanesh gets a Battletome soon, so its story should move forward with it. I'm confident Gordrakk and Skargrott will lead the siege of Excelsis with the new Edition (Starter set coming after Broken Realms ?)

That's what I thought ! Does it means Broken Realms III will be about Alarielle ??

Yeah, but precisely : with Ghost ships and normal Death troops on top, so nothing really similar to the very defined identity of the Vampire Coast in WFB. That's why it couldn't come like this to AOS. Thank you ! Vers interesting read

Well, the Wraithfleet would have been more of a Nighhaunt-pirate theme, right ? And it was more like a one-page reference in 2017, never referenced in AOS2. But I agree with your description of wackyness, alas as of now it is wayyyy to much linked to the existing WFB franchise (Vampire Coast in 6th and in Total War, Dreadfleet in 8th) to fit as an identical, whole faction in AOS. That's my problem with it (in AOS, not per se).

I for one am glad that Vampirate meme (a 100% WFB theme) can be put to rest ! I'll be happy if Vampire Coast is a playable army in TOW in five years, but given its popularity with Total War, it wouldn't have belonged to AOS .... .... Then watch the Warhammer Quest / Board game take place in a sunken pirate ship

Okay those two Vampires are great. They share common design elements while being distinct. The first one (bat-hair) is apparently designed to be a battlefield commander with a certain volume and presence to him/her, while the lady for WHU has a classic duelist pose, fitting for a small group of models and skirmish battles. Also the WARCOM article confirms we'll see the rest of the war band Saturday, that the schedule will be postponed for a month, and that ORRUK BONESPLITERZ are next for WHU ! ... So not silent people or spiderfangs (no biggy IMO).

I'm still convinced we'll get Warhammer Quest style boxed game with Death vs Witch-Monsters Hunters in it (on top of AOS and WHU vampire releases, that is), because : - The different kinds of Death looking Rumor engines (still a LOT) and the Halloween image ; - The trailer that showed both "Zombie" and "Skeleton" types as well as an Adversary for them : (human) Vampire Hunter ; - The fact that the new Vampire is for AOS, and that we also have a Soulblight WHU warband coming (both AOS and WHU are announced for the preview), - The absence of Warcry release from the aforementioned preview, where the Witch Hunter could have belonged.... - GW always said they would go back to AOS for WHQ. Blackstone Fortress is over. When BSF got new releases, its logo was shown alongside other games to preview the Preview, like we got yesterday. - With Slaanesh, Teclis and Gordrakk on the horizon (Broken Realms, AOS 3rd Edition), a last Battletome, a WHU warband AND a boxed game all themed around Death could be a great way to finish the Death narrative arc from AOS 2nd Edition.

Absolutely ! Legions Of Nagash were quite clearly Grand Alliance : Death 2.0, as those Soulblight Gravelords are clearly Vampire Counts 2.0. Because in between we got Nighthaunt, new FEC, and Ossiarch Bonereapers And "Gravelord" can cover everything that was in Legions of Nagash, at least skeletons and zombies in addition to vampire-related stuff like bat

OHO Source ???

AHAHAHAH, crrrrrringe ! How can these compete with our GLORIOUS new Exlated Steeds of Slaanesh ?! (Just kidding, also prepare to see those creature totally wreck the Blissbard Seekers 😛 )

Ah yes silly me, how did I forget that recent teaser ??? Thank you for the reminder ! To be frank, there are so many Rumor Engines (and trailers) that could be Death-related that I don't see the release being "only" Vampire or "only" Deadlwalkers / Zombie for AOS (new Battletome(s)). The different styles hint more, IMO, toward a Warhammer Quest-style game with different kind of Death Creatures, just like Silver Tower and Blackstone had a great variety of Tzeentch and Chaos models. So we could get a dungeon with Vampires, Skeletons, Zombies, Werevolves, keys, etc. The few Sigmar-y RE we got earlier could also be the Witch / Vampire Hunters warband. BTW what @Chikout said is also more than likely : a boxed game with new or refreshed designs can totally hint at a Battletome coming (just like a WHU Soulblight warband).

Honestly that preview looks (strangely) big... AOS : Broken Realms : Teclis, with Lumineth Wind Temple preview WHU : Vampire Warband ??? logo : new Critters & Keys Warhammer Quest board game (Vampire, zombies, etc. vs Witch Hunters) KT : Ecclesiarchy or SM vs Necron 40k : Ecclesiarchy or ??? Adeptus Titanicus : ??? (I alas don't follow that game)