DanielFM

I stand corrected. Remembered it wrong as +2.

Ouch, I initially had two units of 5, then I forgot and combined both.

Maybe controversial, then? Questionable had a lot more implicit negativity. Well, that's being quite nitpicky An example of a Hallowed Knights list taking advantage of a fast, buffed, foot-slogging Evocators on Dracoline unit. It's not a tournament winner and spells and items weren't fine tuned, but you get the idea . Shooters and Evocators on foot/Incantor go into Scions, the rest leg it. Evocators on Dracoline get HKs CA + Tauralon CA to charge first turn after shooters soften screens/support. Sequitors act as a second wave. Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Hallowed KnightsLeadersLord-Arcanum on Tauralon (340)- General- Trait: Martyr's Strength - Artefact: Parchment of Purity - Spell: Thundershock- Mount Trait: Steel PinionsKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Azyrite HaloLord-Castellant (100)- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the TempestBattleline5 x Sequitors (120)- Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Sequitors (120)- Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt BowsUnits6 x Castigators (160)5 x Evocators (200)- 2x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning3 x Evocators on Dracolines (300)- 2x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)War MachinesCelestar Ballista (100)BattalionsCleansing Phalanx (120)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 106

Speak for yourself, I love it! ?

If I read once again about Gavriel as if he was a part of every SCE list I will throw up. Not only he force you into Hamners (which I don't like at all), but he also needs 2 CPs (thus battalion/bought CP) to be good. People can(and will) want to try other Stormhost, and then Scions is incredibly unreliable for CC units. There is a place for fast units on the ground with shooty units in Scions and foot-slogging mobility tricks (Heraldor, 6 run CA, Tauralon CA, Hallowed Knights CA, etc). In this context, 12 move and reroll charge are really good. Plus starting on the table allows Dracolines to buff themselves before the charge (while Scions Evocators can't) and hit even harder.

Shooting units have their place imho. Either feet on the ground units which contribute something from afar to the Scions guys, or as Scions drops which can do something worthwhile without needing to land a charge this turn (for the ones who are still not into the Gavriel CA spam train). You can definitely play pure close combat lists with SCE, but for me it feels one-dimensional, boring and a waste of good options.

On the topic of bravery bombs, do you think they are worth investing in? Both an Anvils of the Heldenhammer Lord Veritant with Shriving Light and God-King aspect and AotH Lord Arcanum on Dracoline with Terrifying Aspect can inflict -3 to bravery by themselves. If you add Decimators or a Celestant Prime, it goes up to -5. You can go further by combining several or all of those options together. How much feels like overinvesting? Do you think it would be worth it?

For free with your Lord Castellant or Veritant. Paying for them? Still too expensive, too vulnerable, too pillow-fisted. I don't think their Darting attacks give them enough of a role as a hit-n-run annoyance.

+1 to wound is weaker than reroll wounds on Evocators, Castigators and Celestar Ballista (I think Sequitors too). The selling point of Celestial Blades is buffing non-Sacrosanct units.

You don't "nah" LLV rumours. We will have Moonclan, new terrain and Darkoath/beastmen in 2018. You thinking it's unlikely is nothing but irrelevant.

Apparently the LA on Tauralon will be 70£. Outrageous, that could kill my last drops of interest for it. A Freeguild Gryphon is half that and pretty much the same plastic. A Stardrake is only 15£ more and a huge mass of plastic in comparison. What is GW thinking, do they want it yo pick dust on their shelves?

I agree. If HoS and AoH are tier 1 and CV are tier 2, I think Hallowed Knights and Tempest Lords could be tier 3. HK has a cool CA and decent traits and artifact, while TL can work really well if you build a list with several CAs.

Once per Battle Round, not per game.

Yeah!! No more no-brainer Lens of Refraction nor being treated like a pariah for not using it! Gavriel's spam it until you autocharge is still unpleasant, though ?

It's quite nice. Reroll 1s to hit if you charged, +1 attacks to all combat weapons Command ability, and the Command Trait and Artifact aren't half bad.

I know it's not very popular, but +1 to hit for everyone from the Lord on Tauralon sounds more powerful than reroll ones.

He doesn't need CP, though!

Nice list! Kudos for thinking outside of the box. Maybe a LAoT instead of the Celestant Prime to bennefit from the +1 to hit and buffing spells?

I don't really think it works like that, though. Unit tax? Vanguards Hunters and the Ballista are units working by themselves (better or worse). You can't factor them in the damage per point. Likewise, a significant part of the battalion price goes into the artifact and extra CP, so dividing 120 points by the number of Castigators to calculate their damage doesn't make much sense either.

Sh*t, I calculated reroll all misses, sorry! If you use Soulstrike you can shoot twice when they drop then be buffed by Evocators next turn. I understand your arguments, though. Vanguard is not obsolete, it's cheaper and stronger than ever and even synergize with some new units.

I disagree about Castigators being a waste of points. Properly buffed (Evocators+LA CA) they can be quite strong, delivering 4 wounds to a 4+ save VS 2,47 from bow Judicators. Yeah, that's a perfect storm with a lot of investment thrown together, but they are not a waste of points IMHO they just aren't as point and click as Judicators.

You have LLV saying Moonclan. What more do you need? He has so far been one of the most reliable and prolific AoS rumour-mongers. Anyway. @LLV is there something else you could tell us about the Moonclan release without getting you into trouble?

Of course I am! In fact, I love one of the new ones, Soulstrike Brotherhood: it require few units I already use (except Castigators) and it gives a meaningful, useful rule. But I don't like to read people making dubious claims which don't hold to any comparison to reality. Most of the old ones basically give you a CP and Artifact for 110-140 points and forcing you into units you don't want. The single special rule is usually for flavour, at most. Hammerstrike? It requires few units, but the rule is laughable. Vanguard Wing? More or less the same. Most of the other ones are straight up a joke. Devastation Brotherhood, seriously? Those won't bring any variety, they won't simply be used competitively, ever. Check Nighthaunt battalions, though. Most are really easy to field and bring a really good effect. I hate Gavriel clone lists, too. But you know, non-garbage battalions would help to see less of the samey lists. Right now, they do nothing for it. The "6 Stormcast in top 10" is puzzling: you either refer to tiny ghetto tournaments no-one knows about, or you straight up pulled it out of your hat. AFAIK this has never happened in a major event since GHB 2016. Three in the top 10 is already quite rare.

Lord Arcanum on Dracoline will be made from the Evocators on Dracoline box. It was announced previously. How are the "good battalions" still competitive? All of them got destroyed by removing their good rules. Vanguard Wing? Destroyed. Hammerstrike? Destroyed. Tell me which ones do you think are still competitive, please.