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    The Rumour Thread

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    curtesy of Garro who is at the event at the moment:

     

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    AoS stuff
    Next start set with stormcast eternals and nighthaunts both getting battletomes shortly after.

    New stormcast chamber is all magic users.

    AoS 2nd edition is in June. Will have community site content every day until launch like 40k 8th edition did.

    AoS is getting plastic models for new spells which stay on the board. 

    Gortek is coming back to AoS. He is being voices by Brian blessed (not joking, they shared an audio clip)

     

    GW Seminar details.

    Weren't allowed to take pics so didn't but pics will be on warhammer community soon.

    Details.
    Showed the first finished sister of battle mini. It's based off one of the old artworks.

    Dark elves are next for bloodbowl. Mix of witches and corsairs in design.

    Cawdor are next for necromunda.

    Adeptus titanicus is out in August.

     

     

    The Rumour Thread

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    Just now, Waiyuren said:

    Didn't one of the stories mention a jailbreak of powerful souls? Maybe she's missing her body now?! That might explain why nighthaunt isn't in legions of nagash. She does still want to kill neffy. ?

    Yes, it did, I remember, and if she did escape then yay!!!  She definitely needs to get some of her sand blasted armies back.

    I didn't realise that it wasn't a legion of Nagash...

    note to self ...  must open the legions of Nagash battle tome and read it!

    The Rumour Thread

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    3 minutes ago, Waiyuren said:

    Holy ******.  Is that khalida behind the trees? That crest... what the heck's she doing with nighthaunt?! ?

    if it is that would be interesting, unless she's still intent on killing neferata... or maybe tombkings are back !!! (ok that was a wishful lie!)

    The Rumour Thread

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    from an expanded hero phase and the addition of a new command points system to a more strategic double turn

     

    sound interesting :)

    by the way, I'm sorry but I've already run out of reactions but consider yourselves all 'like'

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    Warhammer Legends

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    12 hours ago, Envyus said:

    It's mainly to allow Dark Elf players to complete a collection.

    I am also of the opinion that Fantasy's Lore and Age of Sigmars Lore can co exist. And that I think it would be great for them to spin off Warhammer Legends into a sub game. 

    This would be a great thing to happen.

    they should have just released the 9th ed rulebook as the legends rules just like fw did with the age of darkness rules.

    Warhammer Legends

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    4 hours ago, Enochi said:

    Wow you hit the GW Fanboy Kool-aid hard don't you? Even spike it with a dash of "How dare people actually like a competitive game" mentality. Here is the thing though some of us use old models....but still buy new ones upgrade our force. I know that's a concept that might be hard for you to wrap your mind around but work with me a little here.

    no. its not about the kool-aid, its about facing the reality of what GW are doing as a business.

    For the record I loved my fantasy battle, I wanted to do brets and TKs as the next thing after my chaos.  I was robbed of both of those.

    I have two forgeworld mammoths and a ton of other stuff which is no longer usable going back to 1st ed.  I still proxy them for things in my current armies,  but when it comes to things like dogs of war and the like, well, I'm kinda stuffed.   So yes, its a concept that I can work with you on.

    Those guys with their competitive game mentality are actually my friends, and all I'm saying is that they love the cutting edge game, and I'm more of a campaign and narrative kinda guy.  hardly the " how dare they like a competitive game mentality as you put it".

    To paraphrase the above post - 

    GW want you to spend money - its how they make their money.

    GW would prefer you to buy new plague bearers when they release them instead of using your vintage ones

    GW are giving you a battletome for the dark elf armies of fantasy because as you've rightly worked out, they want to cut all the old stuff loose and move on to whatever they got planned.  How you choose to use it is your bag, but they won't be supporting you in any way as they got new stuff to be getting on with.

    I done my raging when AoS hit, I had all of these arguments / debates like many of us did with the store manager giving it the full WTF.

    We heard nothing for six months and then this game with no points and some wierd fluff lands.  More WTF.

    Old RPG dudes could get their head around it but everyone else struggled.  Not much WTFing from me but truck loads from my tournament playing friends.

    When we finished WTF-ing we realised that GW were not interested in WTF-ers, who as far as they were concerned could just do one if that was the attitude.

    KIrby got pushed out, Rowntree climbed to take the driving seat and then they suddenly we had a new face and new attitude.  I stopped WTFing and jumped on the bus for the ride, and to be honest its been ok.

    Do I go out and buy everything?  -nah. I'm too poor and too picky for that, and if I see one more overpriced hero in a prancing knee up in the air pose like they've all been to ballet school  I'll scream.  Do I like everything they're doing, of course not, but compared to what they were, and where they were even you must surely be able to admit that we as a community are in a better place.

    Dude, nothing is perfect nor will it be. But that's life and really, I've got way more things to get super stressed about than pushing toy soldiers around, as much as I hate the fact that I can't mark my mammoths or skin wolves or that my slaves to darkness cant cut a slice of cheese effectively.

    but yea.. i get what you're saying,  I'll work with you a little on this one.

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    Warhammer Legends

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    25 minutes ago, EMMachine said:

    In case of Tomb Kings. GW could give Deathrattle some Archers, Mounted Archers, Chariots and some sort of Priest and you would have a more complete army where you can use some of the models. Some of the units were reduntant between both armies. Don't know about the other units.

    I'm totally behind you on this - apparently it (Tomb Kings) keeps getting brought up at the managers meetings and that's the default response at this time.

    Warhammer Legends

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    Simply put it's this...

    GW always said on the eve of AoS's release that nobody would find their army redundant from fantasy.

    What they were saying was, there's a new system coming - but you'll be equipped with all the tools you need to play that new system in the form of the compendiums.

    They also said that although these old world armies could be played and were current, they would receive no more support or updates.  New factions would rise in the new game world with new lore and models.

    This was already hinted at in the aesthetic of the last wave of models the year or two before AoS released - a very different look and feel and all leading up to end times.

    It would only be a matter of time before GW stopped playing lip service to players with older armies such as Tomb Kings, Brets, empire etc, both at events and within the literature.  Unfortunately there comes a time when it's time to move on.  They're a business and they need to sell models.  There is no value in it for them if dude on forum is still smashing on about his 10,000 point bret army being nerfed but in reality hasn't put a penny in their till for over ten years.

    They are not only a game system but also a model supplier and manufacturer, they need their public to be on board with both.

    Sadly its hard for most of us to swallow especially as long time fantasy battle players but that's the way it is.  trust me, I've got two forgeworld war mammoths and the thought that FW / GW will decide to pull the plug on their warscrolls / points is something I'm dreading.

    With regards to FW and heresy slowing down, not the case.  They really just have too much to get on with at the moment, and with Alan Bligh passing away the mantle of Mr Heresy is a difficult and massive one to fill with such  passion and knowledge.  Also, they could never have predicted how much it would take off.  Remember although they are a part of GW their remit and capability is massively reduced compared to the main business.  They are no different to an elite car manufacturer's bespoke division where your output is tin compared to the parent, but your product commands a much higher boutique price.  And so it is with Forgeworld.

    Heresy was always nice until the prospero and calth box sets, it saw a flood of new blood, but at it's heart it's still a massively expensive undertaking by the time you throw in vehicles etc.

     

    But back to the topic of this thread.

    The way I see legends is the final salute to the old game systems' armies from GW.  You get a proper battletome immortalising the army for one last time.  After that, it goes to where it's rightful rresting place is - in the legend that was the old world. 

    No points?  We all know what cheese and filth is deep down, and what good friendly play is.  You know when you're being that guy and you know when you're not that guy.

    I think this is easier for old school RPG dudes to get behind than the one combo to rule them guys.  I also believe that if you're into cutting edge meta, tournament slaughter lists and  win at all costs, then legends really isn't for you.   I am not one of those guys, I'm a self confessed story stinker to to use the garagehammer term.  But my local store is now full of WAAC players and filth farmers.  It's not about anything other than will it win at a tournament.  On the plus side it's those same guys who will pour money in the till like water out of a tap to ensure a winning army. 

    Tombkings - the general consensus up at the mothership seems to be that they will bring nothing back by bringing them back.  So as of now, they're very dead.  However never say never.  Personally I liked them-  I always liked how they were a skeleton army without wraiths and zombies etc.  The constructs were also very cool.

    AoS is evolving.  June is it's third birthday and you can be sure that by the year end we'll see cool stuff and finally say goodbye for good to some old stuff.  They've done it before many times and they'll do it again.  Just remember that as much as GW love you, they need you to keep spending, that's your side of the bargain.

    As a final note, we should bear in mind that had Kirby still been CEO, you'd have none of this, no community pages, no sneaky peeks, no nod to the past.  You'd have just been told "this is the new... deal with it".

     

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    The Rumour Thread

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    4 hours ago, Jamopower said:

    Tomb kings and Bretonnians already have points, so they just simply cannot lose them. You can always use the old ones as long as you have them, as they are not going to get any new units in long time.

    They can and they will.  There will be no new units for brets or tks. 

    The best you can hope for is that there will be a new faction that makes use of these models but rest assured they wint be brets or tks as we know them.

     

    i imagine gw actually gave a difficult time working out what to do with their basic humans.

    If it were me, i think we have two really nice opposites, the technology humans in the form of the eld empire stuff and the mystical humans.

    i was thinking take brets out of the rigid medieval knight mould and perhaps put them more into a darker narnia style mash up.  Centaur allies and lords on dragons,  and instead of all that lady stuff, they place their faith in druids.

    their usp could be monsters in place of technology.  

    If they were in the realm of shadows then they might also be mortal enemies if the fimir and daughters.

     

    or something like that. :)

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    1 hour ago, Captain Marius said:

    Do we have a source for that? Cos my view of AoS is some factions will be left behind (ill be amazed to see another serapon book, tho GW did give them basic allegiance abilities...)

    The culling of the old ranges was brual, not just Brets and TK but stuff like my Empire Knights and Cannons, or Chaos Forsaken. I would not put another cull of outdated factions past GW, even if it was seraphon or pestliens etc.

    I probably didn't explain it very well, sorry.

    Cast your mind back to the painful birth of AoS during the age of Kirby ; GW released the compendiums and in the AoS  QandA's they said that "all existing armies would be playable in AoS" because of course each one had a compendium.  They also said however that there would be no more support for the old armies, as the new armies and factions would start to come in.  And in truth we've seen this in as much that yes the compendiums still exist but as of ghb X there was no longer competitive points or viability for this or that compendium.

    To draw a parallel  GW did nothing more than what Microsoft did with XP, continuing to support it until quite late in the day and then finally saying look, we've got a business to run, get with the program.

    I totally agree with you in the second paragraph.  It's going to be sales that do the talking, as well as stuff that just doesn't 'fit' anymore.  And in many ways that's an ever evolving storyline for you, stuff happens and things change and sometimes cataclysmically.   But yes, I too believe the drive by cullings can and will happen.

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    On 19/04/2018 at 2:42 PM, Rogue Explorator said:

    I think the less popular legacy factions will always be there in the background, but they will surely slip into obscurity as far as tabletop presence goes.

    I am thinking less squats and more 40k beastmen, general Mutants and Genestealer Cults pre-rerelease. Or Fimir in the World-That-Was.They where always there, pretty much from the start, but as their old kits went out of production, simply no new ones dropped. They still played a (sometimes important) part in the lore, but they hardly ever had armies playing an important part in events.

    It sort of makes sense, particularly for many of the order ones, as more and more "proper" armies show up, the cults, colleges, messengers, engineers and criminals (heck, even the freeguild comes across more as a militia than a "real" army) of the Free Cities have less and less reason to go to war themselves. They can remain an important part of the free cities, but I suspect the Free Cities/Free Peoples may ultimately get new stuff not connected to any of them as well, slowly but surely pushing the old stuff further and further to the sidelines until by the time it is to discontinue the models, hardly anyone cares to complain.

    This is the gentlest way to do it and as a added bonus GW used those old kits to do some worldbuilding for them, without them, we would hardly have by now learned that aelven pirates and sorceresses run some of the organized crime in the free cities or that the best messengers you can get are elves on flying chariots.

     

    And if any prove to develope a cult following asking for their return or GW runs out of ideas, they can always be brought back in force, just as Genestealer Cults where.

    I'ts exactly what and how it  happened to the Dogs of war.   A gentle phasing out where ultimately they wait till the buying public lost interest and thus they disappear from the website quietly with not many people really caring at the time.

    We need to remember that the promise was that no old army would become obsolete from the world that was, only that they wouldn't get supported as time went by and new factions and story lines opened up. 

    Also, we are looking at a new modelling dynamic and design language as well, which naturally will make older stuff seem a bit staid and boring, after all they were all designed to rank easily.  remember how much complaining when blightkings and the khorne farmers in their armoured dungarees came out about how they wouldn't rank on 25mm bases and 40 was rubbish for infantry.  We've all got those lovely old models which no longer are part of the game, sad as it is.

    Like you say, until there is a reason to resurrect the line stays dead.  Who knows with enough pestering you might see sandy skeletons back.  Look at sisters of battle.   I know that the TK thing has bee brought back to the table at the head office so many times but each time its very much a case of "other than the constructs what do they bring to the table?"

    Like you say Rogue, they'll always be there, in the lore and as a narrative medium.

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    The Rumour Thread

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    20 minutes ago, Soulsmith said:

    I think the flying beasts actually work due to the sense of motion every mini in the range has. There is something flowing in every one.

    the joy of poses that don't having to worry about ranking up :)

    Aquastorm sounds like a washing product, is this the idoneth laundry department? 

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